Proud to be Indonesian,
What do you know is happening on the remote villages in West Papua that takes three days trecking on foot to reach. Obviously nothing! Otherwise Indonesia would have nothing to restrict these people making contact with their friends in countries they have visited for further education.

The military hanging around these remote villages is not going to capture and bring before a court these people they have decided on the spot to shoot because these shy people resent the threats of armed soldiers intimidation them.

They being shy and scared as unnarmed civillians will react as showing lack of cooperation and may show resentment. They are not freedom fighers but they certainly resent the pillaging of their gardens shooting their pigs [considered unclean animals] and raping of the girls in their villages by soldiers throwing their armed weight around.

I suggest you open the lines of communication for West Papuan Indonesians with their friends outside Indonesia if you have nothing to hide. But it appears by your propaganda that you are hiding what is really happening in West Papua. I have more reason to believe these people as I know they tell the truth as they have lived with me for months while gaining education, than you who threaten the Australian Armed forces because you fear we might enter as we did in East Timor to protect unnarmed civillians against genocide by Indonesian military murderers. You value mineral assets above a persons life as is evident by your degrading remarks about a worthless peice of land that is East Timor.

To quote you, "You have just been caught red-handed lying about Indonesian military. Now, you expect us to take your stories seriously as absolute truth. You must be dreaming. The fact is, your fairy tale stories are nothing more than propaganda lies, worth less than a grain of dirt.

We have a historical record of how the Indonesian military deal with civillian populations - not nice.

@philo:

LOL you are a very incompetent liar. You try to fabricate lies that Indonesia is somehow "closing" West Papua to outside world.

The truth is, West Papua is as open to the outside world as it can be. West Papuan highlands have totally free communication and is totally open for the outside world. Here's some travel agencies that offered vacational tours for Westerners or anybody else to West Papuan highlands:

http://www.alpineascents.com/carstensz.asp
http://www.mountainmadness.com/sevensummits/carstensz.cfm
http://www.adventureindonesia.com/irian-baliem-general.htm
http://www.eastindonesia.com/
http://www.alfaprimatours.com/destination.php?ss=dtsug&code=AP-PPA-01&ID=4
http://www.komodotours.com/west_papua/tours/4days_baliem_valley_tour.htm

I think it has been proven that your stories are just fabricated lies. I have also disclosed your other lies, where you claim Indonesian military are all Muslims while the truth is most soldiers posted in West Papua are Christians, and lots of Indonesians are actually Christian missionaries spreading Christian faith to the animist Papuans. You are worse than Hitler, trying to manipulate religious sentiments for your propaganda purposes.

A filthy liar like you who have been caught red-handed has zero credibility, you don't expect anybody to believe your fabricated stories, do you? There are no West Papuan "friends", aren't they? These "friends" are just your imagination, right? You are one of the propagandaists of West Papuan separatists trying to destroy Indonesia, aren't you?

So sad, you are trying to lie and cover-up the atrocities of the barbaric separatists. How dare you call these civilian-murdering barbarians as "freedom fighters". The only thing these people "freed" are their civilian victims whom they freed from their lives. Clearly, you have no respect for human rights. You clearly don't care about all the civilians murdered by the separatist thugs. If you dare talking like this to the families of rebels' atrocities, I cannot blame them if they want to hurt you immediately.

THE TRUTH ABOUT BARBARIC PAPUAN SEPARATISTS:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel04/papuan062404.htm
http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/1996/03/19/0004.html

How dare you support these violent barbaric thugs! You really don't value the lives of the barbaric separatists' victims, don't you? You don't care about the lives of the two American and one Indonesian schoolteachers murdered three years ago by these barbaric separatist thugs, do you? Their lives are meaningless for you, aren't they?

Proud to be Indonesian,
You are so far off this planet in your claims and accusations you do not deserve to be listened to. As others has concluded you are a ratbag!

Check the phones to the highlands of West Papua, they do not work from Australia to West Papua. Why?

I have had 4 young reliable Indonesian men from the highlands of West Papua live with me at various times since 1998 and I know their reliable character and honesty. As for yourself you are nothing more than puffing hot air. Why did you begin posting on this National Forum in Australia? Rather suspicious motivations especially all the military threats.

As far as I'm concerned you do not deserve any further attention as you really are a raving ratbag

Philo

I see, you try to do personal attacks to avoid answering my question.

Don't try to avoid my question:
You really don't care about the lives of the murder victims of the barbaric Papuan separatists, don't you??

Me being strictly neutral I would point out that "Proud to be Indonesian" is writing posts which appear to be objective, while Philo is frothing at the mouth and jumping up and down in an emotional frenzy. Naughty, naughty, Philo. You may have a deep emotional comitment to your cause, but it is absolutely essential when debating to maintain a degree of emotional detachment to maintain credibility. If you lose your cool you appear to be a person devoid of the ability to think objectively and rationally. Insults are OK, as a matter of fact they can be very entertaining. But the proviso is that they must be cleverly put, which indicates that the speaker (or writer) is thinking clearly and intelligently. Just letting fly with a string of sneery insults does the exact opposite.

My score would be "Proud to be Indonesian" 7/10. Philo 3/10.

I have no doupt that Philo is correct when he states that the Indonesian army is committing atrocities in West New Guinea in order to enforce Indonesian rule on an unwilling black population. But every black state in the world is an anarchic economic basket case that the Western world is sick and tired of subsidising, and sick and tired of intervening militarily in to prevent the motley collection of tribes and kleptocratic factions from butchering each other.

However much I deplore that West New Guinea will fall to a backward religion like Islam, it is still preferable that this black West New Guinea society should be forcibly assimilated into a relatively advanced civilisation than to remain in a trouble prone, semi barbarous state forever. Australia does not want any more intractable problems like PNG, Bouganville, Timor, or Guadalcanal continually draining away our financial, military and police resources

Proud to be Indonesian,
I checked the sites you gave and only two Hotels out of 86 in the listings were available by phone or fax and none by internet. I haven't checked to see if the phones actually worked. All who had website display stated that access was currently down and was coming soon.

All my friends in West Irian have University of Indonesia degrees in commerce or arts and want to serve in Indonesia. They have been boys financed by wealthy Dutch citizens to gain their education in Indonesia. They were here in Australia learning English and theology.

One friend now living in the Philippines has three degrees in medical practise, microbiology specialising in human disease, and theology; she speaks and writes in five languages including Arabic, English, Dutch, Indonesian, her Indiginous language and speaks fluently in four other tribal languages [inclusive of the tribal Philippine community in which she now lives a Muslim woman].

My concern is for the native people in West Papua who you consider as primitive and backward that their land is being taken from them for resettlement programmes. These people have existed there for thousands of years as self contained happy communities costing Indonesia not a thing.

My friend who lived there for 29 years introduced a range of vegetables and fruits and new breeds of pigs into their diet. They do not deserve to be pushed around by the military merely to grab their land, and be expected to modernise merely to become wards of the State of Indonesia. They may not have previously paid tax to the government being subsistent farmers, but they did not also become the responsibility of the Government to employ them. Though several of my friends now work for the Indonesian Government. But their parents are still simple tribal people who live in a self contained environment.