Hello Australians..

@philo:

Your Muslim-baiting Papuan separatist propaganda about the nature of Indonesia's military are nothing but lies. The chief of Indonesian military during the anti-Dutch confrontation to take West Papua was a Buddhist, General Gatot Subroto. The Indonesian military chief who planned the invasion of East Timor was a Catholic, General Leonardus Benjamin Moerdani. The Indonesian military commander of East Timor who ordered the so-called "Santa Cruz Massacre" was also a Pentacostal minister, General Herman Bernhard Leopold Mantiri. Our current navy chief is a Protestant, Admiral Bernard Kent Sondakh. Our famous president Suharto is a nominal Muslim who openly prayed at Hindu and Buddhist temples.

The Indonesian military and police chiefs in West Papua and the former province of East Timor are almost always Christians. The current military chief in Papua is a Protestant, General Mahidin Simbolon. The current police chief in Papua is a Catholic, Commissioner Paulus Waterpauw. The police chief in East Timor during 1999 referendum was also a Catholic, Commissioner Fransiskus Xaverius Suratman.

Indonesia is not a Muslim country, it is a secular nationalist country based on Pancasila (heck, Indonesia is about to have its own local version of Playboy, in addition to FHM Indonesia and Maxim Indonesia). Indonesian military is one of the most secular institution in our country, boasting many non-Muslim commanders.

Indonesia is also not a Javanese country, we are the most diverse nation on earth, consisting of 742 ethnicities, plus large immigrant communities of Chinese (at 12 million, the largest overseas Chinese community), Indians, Arabs, and half-white Eurasians. If we are dominated by one ethnic group, our country would've disappeared a long time ago like Soviet Union or Yugoslavia.

http://www.ethnologue.org/show_country.asp?name=ID

Considering your total ignorance on Indonesian affairs, I think all your "stories" not only lack any credibility, but they are deliberate anti-Indonesian propaganda meant to deceive the regular Australian bloke you took as ignorant fools.

@coraliz:

Have you been drinking too much grog, mate? Aceh today is a province of Indonesia. The ill-organised armed separatist movement there has surrendered on August 2005 Helsinki deal. The surrender is caused by Indonesian military's success in breaking the back of the low-scale insurgency there in a 2003 offensive, while the tsunami wiped out whatever dreams the separatists have of East Timor-like "foreign intervention".

Please do not post nonsense, coraliz. Instead, be honourable and credible!

@leigh:

I consider you as one of the wisest and most honourable of the Australian forummers here. Australia should learn to adopt the principle of MYOB (Mind Your Own Business) in its foreign affairs. No matter how much Australians rant and rave, you will never have any influence in Indonesian affairs. In fact, your statements do not even have any nuisance value in Indonesian national discourse. Australians should learn their position in the regional food chain and behave accordingly. You mind your own business, we'll mind ours.

BTW that "genocide" report by University of Sydney are rubbish. I've read that report, and guess who's the sole source of this report: a British member of Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) who was deported from Indonesia after the communists launched an abortive coup in 1965. These slaves of Moscow and Peking twice launched violent rebellion against Indonesian govt (1948 and 1965) in order to make Indonesia a communist country. Such violent communists have no credibility. No wonder the Australian govt immediately throw this "report" to the rubbish bin.

Now there's a compliment leigh

Proud to be Indonesian,
I assume you are located in the Highlands of West Papua and therefore know exactly what the Indonesian military are doing on the ground in West Papua. Otherwise your claim is spurious and not more than a cover up: Quote, "Your Muslim-baiting Papuan separatist propaganda about the nature of Indonesia's military are nothing but lies."

I have nothing to do with the seperatist movement in West Papua, but I have Indonesian friends there that while they lived with me told me exactly what the Indonesian military in West Papua have done. When I have tried to ring them lately they tell me their conversations are monitored by the military so they cannot talk in case anything is interpreted as separatist intelligence which places their life in danger. These people are unnarmed civillians and pose no threat to the the military, but anything that the military fell looks unusual means they are shot no questions asked. These unnarmed people do not face an Indonesian Court to establish their seperatist links, or they do not threaten the military but can be shot dead merely for objecting to the actions of the military. So I suggest rather than sprouting your propaganda to Australians you educate yourself in exactly what the military are doing in West Papua to the indiginous peoples.

You are trying to justify the action of the military rather than act for the protection of all civillian people in West Papua. It is not a humanitarian image you give to the international community and your record as in Timor shows how you treat unnarmed civillian populations.

To Mr proud to be an Indonesian.

Yeah mate. We get the same accusations about "genocide" of the aboriginal people by left wing anti everything trendies too. A whole bunch of university academics once lined up to accuse Australia of "genocide", using six definitions of the word "genocide" defined by an agency of the United Nations. There was only one thing wrong with their argument. The six definitions of "genocide" provided by the UN were not part of the English language. The English language has only one definition of the word "genocide."

Trendy lefties are rather notorious for using novel interpretations of language to defame their enemies and promote their causes. As the rabbit said to Alice in Wonderland. "Words mean exectly what I say they mean, nothing more, nothing less."

@philo:

You have just been caught red-handed lying about Indonesian military. Now, you expect us to take your stories seriously as absolute truth. You must be dreaming. The fact is, your fairy tale stories are nothing more than propaganda lies, worth less than a grain of dirt.

Indonesia always use its court system when dealing with violent barbaric separatists who break our laws. The 12 barbaric separatists responsible for the murder of two American and one Indonesian schoolteachers are currently being tried in Jakarta. We are the most legalistic country even when dealing with barbarians, far more than the Americans in Iraq who just arrest people without any intention to put them on trial.

Indonesia also do not engage in any military operation in West Papua today, since there has been no "insurgency" there since 2003. The only time the incompetent Papuan separatists posed some newsworthy security threat is after the fall of Suharto, when too many soldiers and police were pulled-out due to foreign pressure, causing security vacuum in that province. As result, the barbaric separatists were able to kill many defenceless civilians, such as those two American and one Indonesian schoolteacher.

After a few soldiers were posted there in 2002-03, the incompetent civilian-murdering "insurgents" were quickly killed or captured, while the survivors fled to the failed state Papua New Guinea. Currently, we only need 10,000 soldiers to guard West Papua, an province the size of France+Benelux with 1000 km border with the failed state of PNG. Today, separatism in West Papua is dead, the "insurgency" had died, the happy civilians of Papua now enjoy complete freedom and security to engage their daily lives, courtesy of Indonesian military and police.

Keep in mind, philo, never again shall we allow the barbaric Papuan separatists to kill defenceless civilians.