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Nguyen Tuong Van - no ripples in the murky world of drugs : Comments

By Gillian Handley, published 25/11/2005

Gillian Handley argues Nguyen Tuong Van's death will make no difference to the drug dealers.

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To Hellothere

This is a debate site, sonny, not an Inquisition. Thirteen questions in one post is not acceptable. The “Load ‘em up with a zillion questions” routine is a common tactic used by people who wish to conceal their ignorance and who are unable to formulate a reasoned argument to support their views. Rednecks are too smart to fall for that. But just to show my good intentions, I will agree to answer all of your questions, AFTER I apply your own tactics on you, and you to answer mine.

1. Do you have any idea about what you are talking about?

2. By what rationale do you suppose that the death penalty will not help control drug trafficking?

3. Would you rather be a drug pusher in Australia or Singapore?

4. Why?

5. If you were a heroin courier, would you smuggle heroin through Singapore?

6. If not, why not?

7. Over 1000 people died of heroin overdoses in Australia last year. How many died in Singapore?

8. Did anybody die of a heroin overdose in Singapore last year?

9. Can you name one book on criminology that you have read?

10. Can you name one book that you have ever read, other than Harry Potter?

11. Has your residential circumstances ever allowed you to live with very real violent criminals, where you could check the personality profiles of criminals given by Psychologists and Criminologists, against your own personal experiences?

12. Since hard drug pushers routinely murder their competitors they are therefore known to be great believers in the death penalty themselves. Why should they be exempt from the same punishment that they routinely inflict on others?

13. Is the fact that Singapore is doing so well economically, because they prefer to spend their money on scientific research and education instead of building more jails, injecting rooms, drug rehabilitation clinics and cemeteries?
Posted by redneck, Monday, 28 November 2005 9:20:58 AM
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Redneck,
In relation to q13, it is not the case that Singapore is doing economically well.There is a modest bounce-back from the collapse of 1997. IT industry, hardware and soft is dead. Govt wants biotech to replace it...fat chance given the competition. Unemployment is at a 30 year high. Accelerating rate of migration by the well-educated ( most notably to Australia) and liberal-minded. Government decided to have a creative Arts industry and somehow noticed that the gay community was a major contributor to the development of it. But when gays started to be more public and open , the PAP decided they would rather revert to their previous " no perverts" policy and forego the creative arts. Money laundering is still a big industry.
Posted by paul_r, Monday, 28 November 2005 9:49:46 AM
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Redneck,

If it wasn't for you, the limp left wouldn't have anything to say.They have no ideas of their own, so you give them a rare chance to screech. They should be grateful to you. I am. I really enjoy my private judging of the best hissy of the day from the loony left. Don't they just hate anyone with an opinion?

Space Cadet,

I don't mind being called a silly twit, but where do you get the idea that I am a woman? I'm all for womens' rights, but as a male, I don't receive any benefit from them. In fact, when my wife, two daughters and granddaughter gang up on me, I'm the one who needs help, but we don't have mens' rights yet.

I don't think that you will ever graduate from the cadets if you think you can pick the sex of someone you don't know just by the spelling of their name.
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 28 November 2005 10:58:54 AM
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Apparently this fellows brother was so deeply involved in crime that he has racked up enormous debts. His creditors were on his back and his brother went to the drugs to in a failed attempt to trade his brother out of his mess. His brother has had a very astute make over by his legal team. Has undergone a transformation from low grade yo boy street criminal to, based on his suit and haircut, fine upstanding citizen.

Its a pity to see what his younger brother has gotten himself into, then again he made his bed.

Only way to 'solve' the drug crime problem is to remove the crime... decriminalise. Seventy years of war on drugs has done nothing short of creating a massively monied industry. The billions of narco-dollars swilling around create massive incentive and opportunity for corruption. The bribes going around range in the millions. The illicit drug trade is said to be the third largest in the world after foreign exchange and military industries. In fact drug trade is intametly linked with gun running and money laundering, so that these three areas are joined at the hip. Anything short of decriminilastion is just band aid solution and certainly not interested in arresting this problem.

Decriminalise, legislate, regulate and tax. Recently a team of economist head up by Milton Freindman no less arrived at the inescapable cinclusion that illicit drug trade casues massive spending pressures on the taxpaying populace and could be turned on its head overnight with a rather obvious solution.

Until the power that wont be get serious more people will die needlessly, before, during and after a needle is involved.
Posted by trade215, Monday, 28 November 2005 11:37:41 AM
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Redneck,

I think the point you are trying to make is that the Singapore government is "tough on crime"!

Unfortunately, if you were living in Singapore today you would not be able to post to this Forum as the media is totally subservient to the government and no opportunity exists for alternate opinion. There is little mention and NO debate on the imminent execution in Singapore.

You could also be jailed for dropping a paper bag, cigarette or any other form of litter. This is what happens in a totalitarian state. Singapore is not a democracy and yet we don;t have George or Johnny lining up to bring the "Big D" to the "freedom loving" Singaporean people.

If the death penalty has worked so well in Singapore how come 420 couriers have been executed in the past 10 years? That's 40 per year or about 1 person every week.

Seems the couriers haven't heard that the drug trade does not exist in Singapore!
Posted by Peter King, Monday, 28 November 2005 5:47:16 PM
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Nguyen had enough heroin for 26000 hits.How many of our young would he turned into addicts and eventually killed?It only takes 3 hits to make you a self destructive pathetic slave,and you will be a burden to both your family and society.

He knew the consequences and took his chance.He won't get much sympathy from the mothers and fathers of deceased addicts.

If Ngyuen had been a base jumper and was warned of the dangers and died,there would not be a ripple of public anguish.The reply would be,"We told you so,you stupid idiot."
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 28 November 2005 5:56:13 PM
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