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Nguyen Tuong Van - no ripples in the murky world of drugs : Comments

By Gillian Handley, published 25/11/2005

Gillian Handley argues Nguyen Tuong Van's death will make no difference to the drug dealers.

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I agree Hellothere and Evazan.

Idiots like Redneck will harp on about executing drug dealers but if you were to suggest executing an executive of an alcohol company, who - by his logic - is an even BIGGER menace to society, then their response would be "But they're not forcing anyone to drink". Well, as I pointed out in my previous post above, Nguyen wasn't pinning people down and jabbing it into there veins.

Capital punishment supporters such as Redneck rattle-off statistical crime rate figures and the economic costs of prisoners but completely ignore the figures when it comes to the execution of innocent people; or the strange inconsistencies in America from state-to-state. Like, why does Texas execute nearly twice as many people as the rest of the states combined when - in all states (with capital punishment) - execution is only supposed to be reserved for the most heinous of murders? You can't tell me that Texas has THAT many murderers.

I guess they agree with George W Bush. Who - when Governor of Texas - once said...

[QUOTE] "If you're asking me whether or not I feel like that everybody who's been executed is guilty of the crime to which they, t-t-t-t-t which they had b-b-been c-c-c, to which, t-t-to which they had been convicted of, then they answer is yeah, I believe that". [UNQUOTE]

And Leigh,

How narrow minded are you? Morpho displays compassion and suddenly he's an anarchist who wants to overthrow governments!

Those bleeding-heart, lefties you seem to despise so much are responsible for the women's rights that you now enjoy...

...you silly twit.
Posted by Space Cadet, Sunday, 27 November 2005 11:01:35 PM
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Oh... Just a couple of questions...

To those of you who support Nguyen's hanging and have sooo much respect Singapore's judicial system...

1. Do you also respect the Singaporean government's ties to drug barons?

2. Do you not see their blatant hypocrisy in the whole case?

I hardly see how hanging a drug dealer is going to solve anything when their government is in bed with the "Dons" of the drug world.

In my first post I raised the question...

>>Is it for justice? Or does the Singaporean government simply enjoy killing people? Their apparent tunnel vision in the case; along with the fact that it is a hanging rather something more peaceful like a lethal injection or dare I say - a mere prison sentence, suggests the latter.<<

I guess it really IS the latter.
Posted by Space Cadet, Sunday, 27 November 2005 11:28:10 PM
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Oh Dear, Ho Hum, boring, can't understand for the life of me, why the Singapore Govt appears to be the whipping boy in this case.
Nuyguen(or whatever) broke Singaporean law, and if he was successful, there's not a doubt in my mind, he would've been more then happy, to do it again, never once giving thought to the lives he was destroying as a consequence.
As you can tell from above, I harbour no sympathies for this criminal whatever.
However, I am VERY confused at all the hand wringing evidanced here regarding the death penalty and the fact that it appears Singapore seems to be the recipient and whipping boy on this issue.
It has come to my attention, that despite the villification being directed at Singapore on this issue, there is a country that carries out far more death sentences then Singapore does, yet that country does not receive one iota of vilification for it's actions.
Now that, I find very strange indeed.
I'd suggest readers visit this site ;

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/front/3482978

After a 10-year moratorium, Gilmore in 1977 became the first person to be executed following a 1976 U.S. Supreme Court decision that validated state laws to reform the capital punishment system.

Since then, 997 prisoners have been executed, and next week, the 998th, 999th and 1,000th are set to die. Robin Lovitt, 41, will likely be the one to earn that macabre distinction next Wednesday.

Now I'd be more then interested to hear, why we have one train of thought in the case of Singapore, and another completetly different case on the U.S.'s stand.
Posted by itchyvet, Monday, 28 November 2005 12:38:42 AM
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I agree with some of you with respect to the deep levels of political and judicial corruption in many Asian and Pacific Rim countries. However, self-serving corruption does not mean uncivilized. Having said that, let me pose a question to all of you opposed to capital punishment. First of all, there are many arguments that claim capital punishment is an effective deterant, make an example of someone and others like them will either think twice or devise more careful meassures to not get caught. I must say in this case, I believe the punishment fits the crime. Some of you have said that it is not right to execute this man, that those to whom he sold the drugs to did so of their own free will and he should not be punished for that. O.k. fair enough. But the same can be said of this man - no one told him to traffick narcotics, no one forced him to traffick narcotics, he made this choice himself thinking by doing so, it was a quick fix to all of his financial worries. He knew right from wrong. He clearly exhibited intent, his plans were calculated, he knew the possible consequences and went ahead and broke the law anyway. His actions were pre-meditated and well thought out. He is far from being innocent. Now, here's the question - how would you feel, if this man sold narcotics to one of your family members, who made the choice to try it and as a result, died of a leathal overdose. Your family member had never tried drugs before, but nontheless, has and has died. Would you blame the dealer or you family member? Regardless, would you not believe that the dealer should pay a heavy price for his part in their death?
Posted by ema3, Monday, 28 November 2005 1:07:07 AM
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Now, here is another interesting issue involving a meth dealer and the recovering addict he sold to. This is a case currently before the court in Canada - please follow the link and read the article and tell us what are your thoughts about this as an alternative to capital punishment. Keep in mind, what is the actual probability she would see a dime?

http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1025/bergen_ctv.html
Posted by ema3, Monday, 28 November 2005 1:08:03 AM
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Every human life is precious and is far more precious than any punishment we may deal out. The death penalty has been shown NOT to be a deterent to crime. From a distance some can and do speak comfortably about this young Australian being hung in another country.

Yes you might get some exilaration from standing on top of a high moral arguement but at the end of the day its a life that is being wasted to please a beleif in the myth of capital punishment.

The Prime Minister of this country has not stated his position on capital punishment clearly and I just can't help but wonder about what he really thinks. His silence is telling me much.
Posted by Rainier, Monday, 28 November 2005 8:19:05 AM
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