MPP,

Its really simple: where I lived at the time (ie Egypt) it was all over the news because it was a matter of concern to locals.

1. I travel a lot more than the average person and my personal experience the truth is always in between Fox, CNN, BBC and aljazeerah.

To state that a source is absolutely honest is super naive.

2. As reason stated, it is not the content of the massacre that is the issue but that it was in fact committed in a name of a religion that its main stream claim it to be peaceful. Hitler committed crimes in the name of Christianity (just go check his speeches on the german government archives website). he murdered 6 million jews.
How silly will it be of me to come and say they 'were 5.98 million' or 'not all were gased but some were lynched'.

It is a sickening massacre that someone committed in the name of your religion whether you accept it or deny it.

There are a number of levels on which this question should be analysed.

1/Terrorist Muslims.

Those who pose a direct threat to the State, and to people of all persuasions, due to the degree of harm and violence they intend to inflict because of their hatred of the State and its prevailing Religious/Ideological position

2/Socially Agressive Muslims

Those who tromp down to Cronulla beach and 'stake a terrirorial claim'
"It's OUR beach, we own it, get off it" kind of thing. The convenient public transport makes it an obvious target of those living far away.

3/ Politically Agressive Muslims
These are those who wish to change our laws for the benefit of their own religious group.

Discussion:

Clearly, 'terrorist' Muslims pose a direct physical threat to Moderates, so they wish to distance themselves from them.

But, how many 'moderate' Muslims will wring their hands with sadness, that the 'socially aggressive' ones have successfully driven out all caucasians ? When they suddenly see themselves surrounded by their own ethnic group on the beach, will they protest in the streets about the marginalized Aussies ? No, of course not, this is called 'collective behavior'.

It also underlines my on-going mantra "It is not the moderates who drive social agenda's it's the radicals". So, no matter how nice and friendly an individual of a particular ethnic group maybe one on one, their "collective behavior" is what must be evaluated from a policy point of view (re immigration police focus etc) At least Irfan did speak out about the treatment of Christians in Pakistan, what about 2 Pastors in Melbourne ?

Finally, why mention 'Muslims' rather than 'ethnic/religious groups' in general above ? Simple, read the newspapers and government reports to see 'which' community/religion is doing most of the disturbing or terrorizing.(Statistically verifiable)
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581

BD

Still continuing the "my religion is better than yours" rant.

Why do you expect me to respond to your posts when you continually ignore mine?

Is it because:

a) I am a woman
b) I am a self proclaimed atheist
or
c) Just too full of yourself to read through others' posts?

Scout,

Let me take a guess at your question to Boaz.
BD is a professionally trained missionary (the 'I totally reject your truth and replace it with mine'). 'God is love to him' is practised "God is Love, you are wrong" which always charges him for a new debate with anyone. He is the 'Mosqueteer' with a spiritual sword and that is probably why he made it his mission to attack Islam and Muslims and not any other religion. islam to him, is an alternative story of Jesus and he will always see us as the other, no matter what we do.

I met few guys like him in my African travel and while I admire their tolerance and persistance, they are just consumed with their ideology. They see the world through the 'matrix movie' every person "is a lost soul but does not know and have to be saved whether they like or not, they will thank me later".

Boaz mixes up absolute truth of physical laws and absolute truth in spirituality. The first is a proven obvious to everyone but the latter mystery and beauty is that it is and should remain personal.

Man, I am 40 and I need a Harley!

Scout, BD, FH and religious others don't answer, purely because they can't. You must understand that those that live so far in the past and who are controlled by despotic, violent delusions, are incapable of intellect outside their fantasies. Plus they are lost when women ask questions, it goes against their indoctrination, after all we are all inferior to them and sadly women they rate even lower, as can be seen by the example they provide the world with.

The constant, my delusion is better than yours, is all they have. No useful positive historical or scientific support, just a history of death and destruction. You will note, that they have always used Hitler and others as examples of atheist war mongers, but as has been pointed out to them for years, Hitler as well as most communist leaders were deeply religious. Thats why the churches survived WW1, WW2s and all the communist takeovers whilst the people suffered.

The wrong type of muslim is any muslim, as is the wrong type of christian or Jew or any ism for that matter. If you refuse to debate scripture, they are lost, their minds are empty. Have you noticed how you never see them on other threads that deal with Science, economics, environment or health.

The total lack of their input when discussing the despotic use of funds by their church leaders, the constant abuse of children by the upholders of the church and the glaring differences between their lives and those they espouse for others.

Where do you see them trying to change what is happening to our planet and when do you see them discussing the total brainwashing that they prescribe for children that are sadly under their influence. The jails of the world are filled with religious people who believe that god made them do it. A great recommendation indeed.

No they will only answer when their program clicks in and says, god question, recite, don't answer.

The Lebanese Muslim agenda in Sydney is to clear territory for their exclusive use. Cronulla is acessable by rail so it makes it easy for them to congreate at Cronulla on the weekend. They do not come as a family but as a communitiy, so want to move all who are not part of that community from their territory. These Muslims come dressed in their head to toe clothes and are the most often in trouble in the surf. Can you imagine a Speedo clad lifesaver rescuing a fully clad Muslim girl?

This also happens in Parks with childrens play equipment. They cannot share with families not of their community. Muslim youth intimidate local youth because they think in terms of territory and cannot assimilate into an Aussie shared beach culture. These Muslims are not extremists bommers they are social misfits into the Australian culture and pyche. They want to claim public space for exclusive use, e.g. swimming pools.