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Top Ten Signs that You're a Christian

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian.

I see “Bush honesty rating drops to lowest point” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

And in another poll “Muslim Support for Bin Laden Falls” http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162563,00.html

Good!

Given a choice between George Bush and the Neocons, or Osama bin Laden and al Queda, I wouldn’t choose either. Both seem to regard “War is Peace”, both do not seem adverse to killing civilians, both seem to want to use religion for their own political purposes etc.

What to do with the mess both have created.

I would think it important for people of all religions to be calling for a full investigation of the bombings and terrorist attacks, so that all the people responsible are found.

Also people of all religions to be calling for an end to the arms race, a vast reduction in the size of armies, as well as more democratic governments and an end to dictatorial governments.

There cannot be much peace with terrorists, armies, despots, and those who advocate lying, manipulating, deceiving or killing members of the public.

Timkins - astute post.

C'mon people stop the 'my religion is better than yours' rant. Time to work together to stop the terrorists.

Please.

If I see another biblical quote, well all I can say the more that someone shoves their religion at me the less interested I become.

Please use this sorry time to unite against terrorism everywhere.

TRINITY
Biblical quotes, are in fact part of some peoples 'opinions'. I find it hard to equate expressing a biblically based opinion with 'ramming it down YOUR throat'. In fact, this is not the 'trinity' forum :) its the 'all peoples views' forum. Your point about 'if I see another bible quote'..... well, in fairness, I suggest if I am your target, just look for my name at the bottom of any post b4 you read it, and bypass it. U know. 'change the chanel' No one is forcing you to read what I write. My recent postings are not directed at you anyway. I've been debating with Irfan and Ash, and if you look at Ash's posts, you can still see the smilies. I've been absolutely full on with Ash, and he still smiles. You see a biblical quote and its "If I seeeeee....etc"..... have a think about that please.

You said "Lets understand the terrorists" just after you condemn any Bilical reference. Well, I haven't been using Biblical references in exposing the other side of the Islamic mind, I've been using THEIR history, and scriptures. So, if you want to understand them, is that not where you would look ? How can you understand an Auzzie cocky apart from the "Man from Snowy River" kinda thing.

Your obvious animosity against Christ is a little bit telling of your own issues u know.

To know the foundation for a faith is the obvious and logical and reasonable place to look for 'reasons'. Ive dialogued with them in many places, forums, and lived under them. Would you like to have to swim, shop, work separate from the guys ? why would they want this ? ( Hint -look at the foundations)...

Please avoid suggestions that such a quest is as infantile as 'My religion is better than yours ner ner'..Wherever there are competing interests for the hearts and minds of mankind, we have to study and compare and contrast. As long as we speak truth, there should be no problem. Pick me up when I start peddling 'untruth' :) blessings

Looks like more nutbags congregating in a vain attempt to deconstruct a Waleed Ali piece.

I guess some people here would love to see Muslim Australians transported in time by 10 years and in place to Srebrenica.

Boaz-David, new to this forum, however I think that you lack insight into the secular mind. Biblical references mean nothing to a non believer, with that in mind I would like to point out that this forum is not the Boaz-david, Ash or even Irfan forum either – it is for everyone.

A bibilical quote, therefore, is not going to convince a good part of the people you are trying to reach. I suggest reasoned argument instead. Telling someone to ignore your posts is something of an oxymoron – why bother posting at all if you are not prepared for responses that may not be to your liking?

To the non believer reading your posts does indeed appear infantile. I see no effort or your part to engage in positive debate with people of differing opinions and differing religious beliefs.

You state "Pick me up when I start peddling 'untruth' " to the non believer your bible quotes are non truths. It is a shame that you don't understand this.

Both timkins and trinity have made good points. This debate goes nowhere while you try to insist that your religious beliefs are the only way. Please try and see the debate from another perspective.