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By Waleed Aly, published 14/7/2005Waleed Aly argues some Muslim clerics may be delusional but it doesn't mean they support the actions of terrorists.
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Posted by Philo, Saturday, 23 July 2005 6:58:41 PM
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Fellow Posters
Not all terrorists are Muslims, sure there are the Tamil Tigers however, to provide some semblance of balance on this thread I submit the following: Christian Terrorists Kill 44, Wound 118 in Attacks in Northeast India GUWAHATI, India (AFP) October 2, 2004 Some 44 people were killed and 118 wounded in three nearly simultaneous bomb blasts Saturday morning in Dimapur, Nagaland's commercial hub, in what a top official called the "worst ever terrorist strike" in the tiny state's history. …………………………The armed insurgency in Nagaland began soon after much of the local population converted to Christianity. Many militant groups, seeking to secede from India to form an independent Christian state, are funded and armed by the Southern Baptist Church. Some of the groups such as the National Liberation Front of Tripura have been involved in a campaign of “gunpoint conversions” and “ethnic cleansing” of native non-Christians, which has left over 50,000 dead and many more refugees over the past two decades. http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/1995/may95/oklahoma.html When extremists from predominantly Moslem countries commit violence, many in the media refer to them as "Islamic terrorists." Why is no one calling the Oklahoma City bombing suspects "Christian terrorists"? The militias being investigated are called simply "right-wing" and "anti-government," but these hate groups, like the Ku Klux Klan, all have bible-based agendas. Timothy McVeigh is a Catholic. The Oklahoma City bomb was detonated on the anniversary of the raid on David Koresh's Christian militia in Waco. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/12/10/waagner/index_np.html In late 2001, antiabortion fanatic Clayton Waagner used packets of bogus anthrax to shut down scores of clinics nationwide. When he was convicted last week, the press was notably absent. all in the name of the antiabortion Army of God. Doctors, staffers, clients and their families were terrified, and hundreds of clinics were shut down. That made Clayton Waagner a celebrity, of sorts, and to some, a hero. And there's more..... Posted by Johnny Rotten, Sunday, 24 July 2005 11:36:38 AM
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And furthermore Fellow Posters,
http://www.presence.tv/cms/soc-soldiers.php Christian soldiers are arising all over the world. Christian militants in Northeast India funded and supported by Christians from New Zealand, Australia, and the United States have attacked, kidnapped and killed numerous people in Tripura in hopes of establishing a Christian state. The leading organization, the National Liberation Front of Tripura, has garnered the nickname “THE CHRISTIAN AL-QAEDA.” The United States State Department describes the situation: “Hindu organizations frequently alleged that Christian missionaries force Hindus, particularly those of lower castes, to convert to Christianity………………………….. ……………………………………………..In April 1995, Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. His interpretation of Christian faith contributed to his motivation. Reverend Paul Hill, former Presbyterian minister and associate of Mike Bray, was convicted and executed for murdering an abortion doctor. He confessed to being prompted by his Christian theology.[vi] An organization closely associated with Hill, Army of God, calls him “an American Hero.”[vii] In 1999, Buford Furrow, in an initiation rite into the “Phineas Priesthood” opened fire on a Jewish community center and shot several people including three children under the age of six. http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=2985pvwcijbax?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Christian+Identity&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc03a Christian Identity is a label applied to a wide variety of loosely-affiliated groups …….. with a racialized theology. Most of them promote a militant white supremacist and neo-Nazi version of Christianity. Their key commonality is British Israelism theology, which teaches that white Europeans are the literal descendants of the Israelites, and that the Israelites are still God's "Chosen People". There are estimated to be about 50,000 adherents of these groups in the United States of America………………………………….Interpreting the Book of Genesis, many Christian Identity followers assert that Adam and Eve were preceded by other, lesser races, identified as "the beasts of the field" (Gen. 1:25)………………………………… A relatively new tenet gaining popularity among Christian Identity believers justifies the use of violence if it is perpetrated in order to punish violators of God's law, as found in the Bible and interpreted by Christian Identity ministers and adherents. Be afraid, very afraid. Posted by Johnny Rotten, Sunday, 24 July 2005 11:38:40 AM
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Wrong thread, Johnny.
Posted by Em, Sunday, 24 July 2005 2:53:40 PM
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For Johnny Rotten, sake there is only 9% of Australians who attend Christian Churches regularly, and about 70% who have sympathies to Christian values. I am not sure what we can do to stop the persecution of Christians and by Christian rebel responses in other countries. However if he knows of any Christian organisations plotting acts of violence against persons in Australia he contact the National Security Hotline. I would like to know if the formation of these militia are as a result of continuous killings and violence done against them and this is their response to save their families.
Under no circumstances do I condone violence. But my reaction might be different if my family were continually threatened by violence. Posted by Philo, Sunday, 24 July 2005 4:20:23 PM
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Johnny.... your interesting posts always provide food for thought.
Now I know a lot more about the situation in Nagaland than I did before I read your post. The other side of the Nagaland coin. <StartQuote:> Refugee women described how Indian troops had arrived in their village on 6 September 1960 searching for the Home Guard and the four captive Indian airmen. We were all rounded up and the men separated from the women. Our men were forced to run the gauntlet of Indian troops armed with Sticks, Then they were kicked like footballs, as they lay helpless on the ground. Three men died then one of them a travelling pastor. Later we women were told to run into the jungle and scatter. Afterwards we heard survivors that most of men had been shot "trying to escape" We were about 120 men and women before the Indian patrol arrived. There are thirty survivors, only three of them men. All our crops were burnt. How can we dare go back? <EndQuote> Now, before you rush to judgement, please ask yourself how you yourself might react if you and your family were subjected to the same treatment. But as I say in all my posts where relevant "Compare with the teaching and life of Christ" and we find "If your enemy forces you to go one mile, go with him a second. If he takes your cloak, give him your robe also" etc... So, there is your foundation for evaluating any human behavior which is aledged to be 'in His name'. The interpretation of such sayings is more complex than I've simplistically put it, but 350wds. For the record, in regard to the Muslim rebellion and insurgency in Southern Philippines.. strange as it may seem coming from "this anti Muslim crusader" as I'm termed (in fact I'm an Anti 'ISLAM' apologist) I SUPPORT their asipirations for independance.. why ? simple I know the history and as much as I condemn the 'Javanization' of Irian Jaya by transmigration, I also condemn the 'Catholicisation' of the Muslim south for the same reasons. Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 24 July 2005 9:09:12 PM
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From estimations done of extremist Muslims here in Sydney who could perform acts of violence, they say about 1,500 hold such views. I have heard several on Talk Back Radio who claim that there are clear justifications to kill infidels and they, when asked stated, "Yes I could kill those who blaspheme Allah and His Laws. My allegiance is first to Allah above any family or any national commitments".