Philo,The Fish is just another raving anachist with singular vision.They don't want to view the world in all its complexity.It interfers with their agenda.

The biggest problem with this sort of thinking is the notion that all peoples and generations can be judged by their idealistic view of how the world should be.

In the end their own flawed arguments reveal the bias and the lunacy.
We just need to keep our cool,keep chipping away and let fact and logic reveal the nonsense.

the preachers in this case are x islam or one of them is ......... they actully didnt vilify islam the jsut quoted from the Koran ...... that was enuff ... i read the sermon, it was clear they are not keen on islam , but that is their right is it not?..it was the quotes from the koran that were the problem, its so ironic

doesnt matter that this article is from a jewish mag, the whole case is a shocking sham. surely the right of reply and the freedom of debate should be enough to hold your ground islam xtian what ever..

this is the way of islam, critize it and you go down, the funny thing is basically it is so ugly u only have to hear it read out the koran vilifies its self with its own hatred

still its serious we need to lobby for free speech, or we will be living in fear of a simple opinion in the not to far future ... hate crimes are already legislated with laws suck as GBH, incitement to riot etc... its pathetic

Fish, you and your type have been brainwashed by the Anti-Bush rhetoric to the point that you actually believe the Michael Moore garbage. Sounds to me like you are villifying Christians, you tolerant person you.

And to say Islam is a tolerant religion.Duh. Ever heard of the term "infidel"?

Your type continually refer to the Christian crusades which is unsurprising as this is where Islam currently functions... 500 yrs on the past. It was a long time ago and has nothing to do with whats happening in 2005 except as another reason to justify Islamic murderers.

You are a mushruikin, which in Islamic terms is a person who is temporarily useful for the cause but will eventually be exterminated anyway. You are happy to live in a country which gives you a lifestyle impossible in most Muslim countries yet you support its overthrow.

There only one place for terrorist supporters like you is "overseas" with your friends. Ever considered becoming a human shield?

You'll have a chance soon when Pres Bush is forced to deal with Iran.

for those who were unsure earlier the tamil tigers are islamic as is about 2/3 s of all the worlds religious persicuton

continue from my earlier post...

o Provide an easily identifiable target and name an enemy of the religion. The best is another ethnic race which has been competitor economically and is already being hated anyway. This provides an important rally point for followers and a better sense of religious purpose.

o Most people are drawn to hating one's enemy and listen to why the hatred is justifiable. Therefore make sure you do not preach love towards one's enemy because most people cannot grasp the logic. Rather, make enemy acceptance of the faith a prerequisite for compassion towards them.

o Dish out a hope of eternal life but also spell out the requirements which will directly propel the expansion of the religion. For example, preach that those who dies for the religion are quaranteed a place in paradise with heavenly virgins.

o Implement simple laws that are effective in the eyes of the masses. For example, adulterous women are to be stoned to death. Craft the law such that it is very hard for women to dispute the allegation. This way they will be at the mercy of man. Man likes such laws they are effective in keeping women in their places. Don't forget this religion must favour man in every way if it is to be successful.

o Make a requirement that believers are to spread the religion.

o Make confident claims that you have obtained words directly from god. Then decree that it is blasphemous to doubt your authority from god. This will help to remove any doubter.

In order to survive, then conquer and plunder, that's how Mohammad cunningly plotted and established Islam. I kid you not. There is NO god called Allah and Mohammad is only a messenger of his own imagination.

Mohammad only started out to destroy the Jews, the arch enemy of the Arabs. Never in his wildest dream did he imagined Islam would spread like uncontrollable weeds that it did. This is much more than he had bargained for. He'd be turning in his grave laughing ha ha ha...

But don't you Muslims be disheartened. Now the messenger of the true god has finally emerged. You see, just like the Jews, Muslims have gone astrayed from the truth too, due to some of the fouled teachings of Mohammad.

The true god is in fact Halla and his true messenger is Dammahom (pbuh: peace and blessings upon him). Dammahom (pbuh) will now lead Muslims to the right path, the path of Malsi (meaning- Submission to Halla). Fortunately if you know Islam than you already know a lot about Malsi which is similar to Islam in many ways. In Malsi, Mohammad is regarded as a prophet with a higher status than Jesus but lower than Dammahom (pbuh).

According to Dammahom (pbuh), Halla now demands that all Muslims must accept the correct version of Koran (known as Narok), repent their deeds as a result of fouled teachings, and progress their salvation by accepting the path of Malsi. Henceforth Muslims will be known as Milsums.

I bear witness there is no God but Halla (the compassionate one) and Dammahom (peace and blessings upon him) is his messenger !!

Good work GZ Tan.

A very insightful and relevant discourse.

If you look closely at your reasoning, you will see that not only have you ‘discredited’ Islam – but you have also described the exact reasons for the idiocy of Christianity! Now if we can only move onto Judaism, we have all the major religions covered!

Try to improve your thinking somewhat GZ – perhaps an open mind, some coherent statements and less brainwashed fuddle from whatever sub-cult religious group you slipped out of…