Giaman
the point I was making about the Tamils, was the 'radicalization of moderates' not the specific religion.

The appeal to ones religious foundations, and the justification of acts of brutality in some cause, finds its roots in another area, except in the case of Islam which has specific commands to expand "militarily" and that area is soverignty, resources, access to trade and simple greed.

The northern Ireland situation is a classic. It began with British aspirations of rule, and was worsened by Oliver Cromwell who himself was responding initially to the Sovereign who tried to enforce an 'approved' mode of worship purely out of self interest and 'control'. When Cromwell went to Ireland (being part of Great Britain/UK at the time) he put down the Catholics with increasing brutality.
The dust settled, and then we have the protestant/Catholic mix in northern Ireland where the main issues are 'sovereignty and access to resources (Jobs)' Due to the history, Catholics have deep distrust and hatred of the British rule, and as a reaction, no doubt access to jobs is severely restricted by the Protestant status quo, in the interests of security and social cohesian.

So, I maintain that it is not the 'religion' which is the problem, it all comes back in this case to the greed and power of a sovereign Charles the II who USED religion for his own purposes, and now we have the inherited baggage.

Once we peel back the layers of the cases in point, we will always arrive at the same point. "We" are the problem, not the religion. When it comes to the Christian faith, there is no foundation for territorial advances, empire building and the such like. The Law is summarized in 2 commands. Love God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself.

Terrorists are motivated by passion for their view of behavioural ideals of a pure society. Religion / philosophy that holds a view of a pure State will eradicate its opposition. Hitler, Mao, Stalin are recent examples to establish pure States upon their high ideals. Notably in these models there is no view of a Divine being beyond the leader of the movement. The problem is not holding a view, but holding a view that all opposition must be destroyed - eradicated.

Because of the pride of human beings, there will never be a period in human history when conflict will not occur. The present exclusive Muslim State is not a new idea, it has its roots in the Arabic religion from the sons of Abraham defined by Moses to eradicate any other gods and purify the land of evil pagan behaviour. They hold to a literal view of the enforcement of monotheism, and the eradication of any behaviour not consistent with the moral revelation of Allah.

Today, Muslims wish to reinstate this level of behaviour upon citizens of the World. They see the Western world as morally corrupt and debauched. Alcohol to be banned, infidelity in marriage put to death, sexual perversions to be put to death, belief in other religious views or gods to be put to death. They believe in the superiority of the ancient revelation, reinstated by Mahomet.

They see opposition to Allah as condoning evil behaviour. Therefore it is justified to destroy the opponents of this pure view of Allah.

The reluctance to stand up to brazen Muslim threats of violence has led to the London bombings. It is clear that neither do Australians have the mettle to take on extremism until we have lost lives.

The passive naievity of the Western world is somewhat amazing in the face of threats to civilisation. Americans had to be attacked three times before they responded, England allowed hate to be preached on the streets but waited until citizens were dead before they reacted and now Australia patiently waits for its "turn" allowing people with extreme religious ideologies to live in the country, sell violent books under the guise of "free speech" and preach hatred. Meanwhile we wait for the inevitable. Serious action is need now, but we are not up to it.

Dear BOAZ David

Well here goes mate. I guess I will be bullied and bashed by most posters - verbally of course - and not by you!

I want to know what all the do-gooders think about the notion that "it cannot happen here".

See "Sunshine Coast Daily" (August 13 2005). Possibly our latest internal scare. I live around 2K from this person's family.

OK all you people who play softy and mushy mind games and want us to be free, liberal, and all that bull8888.

Apologies for my poor grammar and related expression - frankly don't give a stuff - seems that Aussies are allowing Terrorists to change basics - not me!!

Kay

PS - to all the do-gooders: he lives next door to me! And before you get on your high horse - I don't give a damn if he is black/white/brindle - he is terrorising.

The legal existence of the Islam religion ensures there will always be extremism and terrorism.

To eradicate Islamic terrorism, it is necessary to challenge and thoroughly discredit its theology, then reduce the religion to the status of an illegal cult, first in Western nations, then Islamic countries... This is the ONLY way.

Unfortunately this is quite impossble. Hence there will always be Islamic terrorism to deal with.

And yes the Western world has been very naive about the threat from Islam.

Hi all.. Kay.. GZ Philo etc... yes, its a concerning time for sure.

GZ has the right idea, about discrediting Islam at its theological/historical roots. The problem is, the 'current form' of popular Islam is quite removed from its own roots, and all the horror and cruelty of its founder is 'glossed over' and put out of their minds. This is as much because of it being a 'culture' into which its adherants are born, so they grow up with it as their 'blood and bones'. (Tan.. 'darah daging'<-understand this ? :)

I was chatting with a Muslim on IRC a day or so ago, and when you ask them about Mohammed torturing the theives, it just does not 'click' about how serious this is for a person who claims to be 'the last messneger from God'.

John the Baptist came eating locusts and honey, a man who absolutely did nothing of a self serving nature. Hence he was regarded as a man truly from God. Jesus came, healing, raising the dead, giving sight to the blind, also not a sceric of 'self serving self indulgance'.

Those with the most to lose said his powers came from the devil, the man in the street, the man who 'was blind...- but now I see' saw him as the Saviour.

Mohammed came, no miracle. 13 wives, (1 aged 9) 1/5 of all war booty,
tortured, murdered, mass murdered, invaded, raided/stole ... and we are expected to accept this man as "The Last and final messenger from God" ?

Only the closed minded and bigoted in my opinion would call this 'My religion is better than your religion' ism......the facts stand by themselves.

We have to always have the freedom to point out these roots of terrorism (Islamic terrorism) and God help us when we can't.

The man who invented a method of producing nitrogen for fertilizer on which 2 billion rely for agricultural success is also the man who Chemical/Gas warfare for the Nazis. Do we accept National socialism because of that ?