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Jerusalem: a flashpoint for conflict or microcosm of peace : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 14/5/2021

There will be no Israeli-Palestinian peace unless East Jerusalem becomes the capital of a Palestinian state while the city remains united.

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When it comes to media coverage during wartime, I remember when the Al-Jazeera office in Iraq was bombed not once but twice by the USA during that particular conflict.

They claimed it was a mistake the first time but warned them before the second time.

Then as now, it was about controlling the narrative and avoiding the chance of negative publicity. They had compliant media "embedded" with their troops who only saw what they were meant to see.

I also recall a missile attack on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade during the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 - supposedly a mistake based on using 10-year old maps. However that excuse was retracted when it was revealed the site was an empty park 10 years before. In that instance there were negotiations happening over building gas pipelines the USA didn't want so there is a precedent for using the military for political reasons when convenient and the unfortunate death of civilians as a result.

The current conflict seems to have been deliberately provoked by Netanyahu to conveniently deflect from his current political and personal corruption issues.

Regardless, in all cases it's the innocent who are made to suffer.

As for the recent attack, how odd is it to warn alleged terrorists before blowing up their supposed building?
Posted by rache, Monday, 17 May 2021 12:12:25 AM
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We're supposed to believe that even though they can easily assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists, that the only way to deal with a couple of (supposed) 'Hamas weapons experts' - who just happened to use THAT building, was to level the building giving all the people there advanced notice first?

Do they think we're idiots ?

- So if Israel had a plan, then their plan was this:
'We'll blow the building up, but we'll have to tell the reporters to get out first, then after we blow the building up, we'll tell everyone that Hamas was there, and we will provide the evidence.

Head honchos, Higher-ups, people in suits.
They all sat round, had a little chat and this is what they came up with.
This is how they think and act?

- Whether Hamas was actually even there or not, they just leveled a building on foreign land.
- Maybe they consider it their own land?

I wonder what Jacinta would say if we did a missile attack on news building in say Christchurch?

Does Israel think we'll buy their explanation or does it just think it can get away with things like this and not care in the first place?
That people at home will just bicker amongst themselves and at the end of the day none of it even really matters and that they can do whatever they want anyway?

- Move along, nothing to see here -
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 17 May 2021 2:13:40 AM
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rache claims that Ben-Gurion said "If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country"

In fact he didn't. There is no evidence he ever said or thought such a thing. The quote comes from a book written by one of Ben-Gurion's most vociferous opponents 5 years AFTER Ben-Gurion's death. This is the level of 'evidence' that the Jew haters fall for.

I'm sure if I bothered to check rache's other assertions they'd be equally evidence free. But then the truth of the matter isn't the point is it? Its the feelz.

ArmChair writes: "Or flattening 10 story buildings full of foreign reporters.". In fact there was no one in the building since the Israeli's had given adequate warning of the demolition of Hamas's intelligence HQ.

Did you see the video of the owner of the building talking to the IDF and saying that no one was in the building? Or is actual evidence not required?

A more interesting question is why foreign 'reporters' have been living cheek-by-jowl with Hamas operatives all these years and just how that coloured their coverage of issues. Remember the major AP reporting 2015 which was proven to be a complete hatchet job.

So no one in a building AC thinks was "full of foreign reporters."
Elsewhere AC asks "Do they think we're idiots ?"
Well, in some cases, they'd be right. :)
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 17 May 2021 10:39:24 AM
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I know that few here will enjoy the idea, but none of this would be happening if Trump were in the White House.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 17 May 2021 10:41:52 AM
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Netanyahu summarised the whole issue thusly...

"Knesset Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu said during a speech that "if the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons there would be no more Israel."

or as the great Brendan O'Neill wrote..."Why won’t Israelis let themselves be killed?"
http://www.spiked-online.com/2021/05/12/why-wont-israelis-let-themselves-be-killed/
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 17 May 2021 10:47:56 AM
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I think there is good reason to believe that this current battle
would not have started if Trump was still US President because he is
so unpredictable. His odd diplomatic behaviour is a reversion to
ancient themes, and away from pseudo polite diplomatic speak.
In modern times no politician, or nearly all, say it how it is !
Someone in a seat of power needs to say out very loud;
"There will be no two state settlement !"
At present only the Arabs are saying that, the Israelis need to get
the message and agree with the Arabs.
Until they both agree on the ultimate aim the muddle will continue.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 17 May 2021 11:11:40 AM
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