A few quotes from the Israeli PM:

"The way to deal with Palestinians is to beat them up
not just once but repeatedly, beat them up so it
hurts so badly until its unbearable."

And another quote from Israel's "George Washington."

"We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians)
never do return."

(David Ben-Gurion. In his diary. 18 July 1948).

A few quotes from the Muslim religious fascists that Foxy averts her eyes from.

"This is not a country of humans. These are animals and a group of gangs, this country must be wiped off the face of the earth." Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghazi Hamad.

'Allah wiling, the moment will come when their property will be destroyed and their sons annihilated, until not a single Jew is left on the face of the earth. HAMAS sermon at the Al Aqsa TV April 3, 2009.

"HAMAS would definitely not be prepared to co exist with Israel even if the Zionists returned to their pre 1969 borders." HAMAS leader Mahmoud al-Zahar.

It will be a war of annihilation. It will be a momentous massacre in history that will be talked about like the massacres of the Mongols or the crusades." Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League. October 11, 1947.

"We will never recognise Israel or cease to fight for our land." Khalid Marshaal, HAMAS Political Cheif.

"Israel's days are numbered. The people of the region would not miss the narrowest opportunity to annihilate this criminal regime." Mahmoud Ahmadinejad President of Iran.

Israel is much smaller than Iran and therefore much more vulnerable to nuclear attack." Former Iranian President Ali Rafsanjani."

Once more for the dummies.

In 1944, General Kurt Haase of the Wehrmacht's 15th Army, based in Calais, in consultation with his intelligence service (Abwehr), had correctly concluded from the intercepted, coded messages from the allies to the French resistance, that the time and place of D-day would be Normandy, on the 6th of June. Field Marshal Gert von Rundstedt dismissed the idea as fanciful, as well as Hitler's headquarters, OKW. Rommel never heard of it because he was visiting his family in Germany.

That does not mean that the "the Germans", meaning of course the German high command and Hitler, knew when or where the allies would land.

On the morning of 7th of November, 1941, in Washington, US cryptologists successfully decoded a message from Tokyo to the Japanese ambassador informing him of an attack upon Pearl Harbour that morning, by the emperor's forces. With Hawaii a dozen time zones behind Washington. that gave the cryptologists only several hours with which to warn Pearl Harbour. But nobody from the Joint Chiefs of Staff could be contacted to authorise a message to Pearl, warning of the imminent attack.

That does not mean "the Americans", meaning of course the armed forces chiefs and the US government, knew about the impending attack.

If some clever MOSSAD analysts figured out that Israel was about to be invaded on Yom Kippur, that does not mean that "the Israelis", meaning of course the IDF leaders or the government, knew anything about the attack.

Only a leftie could be dumb enough to think that they must have.

SR,

Obviously this is too hard for you to fathom. Yes, there were various part of the Israeli government and intelligence services who reached differing conclusions about when and if the Arab invasion would occur. Pointing out those differing opinions doesn't mean I'm changing my mind, just that I'm aware of the fact that government was trying to work out what was going on.

The fact that there was differing opinion within Israel is evidence that they didn't know when or if the invasion would occur and therefore evidence that when it did occur it was a surprise attack.

Its spectacularly naive of you to think that there was one and only one view within the government. Not only does it utterly misunderstand the situation at the time, it misunderstand almost all issues at all times.

One of the lessons that historians learn and most others don't is that you have to remember that the people of the time didn't know what we know. They didn't know the future. The naive look back and, knowing the outcome,assume those of the time knew it as well.

The fog of war means that the Israelis were struggling to understand what was happening and what was about to happen. That you can't see that is really very SR.

You quote me as saying "“There were good reasons to assume that Sadat would delay the invasion for another week”. The next two words in that quote were " or month". That changes the whole meaning of the quote, doesn't it?

Why do you partake in this type of deception? Why do you think you can slip it through? You surely know by now that I'll always pick you up on these falsehoods

Arabs talking about Hamas...http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17390/hamas-palestinians-suffering?fbclid=IwAR3KG87Psh65pa9MqOatjgqVB77AhoRnKxccOiAV1sGdaFnRIQMxxHii5dM

"Real sympathy with the Palestinian people means searching for solutions for an actual and practical peace that guarantees their safety, security, and development," commented Saudi writer and researcher Abdulah Bin Binjad Al Otaibi. "The solutions should also stop those [Hamas] who are ready to burn Palestine and its people."

"Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood patrons do not care about the suffering or interests of the Palestinians," Al Otaibi wrote. "They only care about demonizing those who stand against them. Hamas is saying: Let the Palestinians die for the sake of a Muslim Brotherhood victory."

What I find laughable is that SR thinks that Israel knew when Egypt and Syria were going to attack because Mossad knew they were preparing (sounds like a Tuesday) and because a few Mossad agents guessed more accurately.

If they had even reasonable suspicions they would have been far more prepared. Where the Arabs miscalculated was that they assumed that Israel would take 24-48 hrs to mobilise when they managed to do so in 10. Secondly, they assumed they could hold the east bank of the Suez and never expected Israel to cross the Suez and capture the west bank stranding their armies.

The humiliation of the Arabs was the main driving force for the Egypt Israeli peace deal.