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Jerusalem: a flashpoint for conflict or microcosm of peace : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 14/5/2021

There will be no Israeli-Palestinian peace unless East Jerusalem becomes the capital of a Palestinian state while the city remains united.

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SR blathers.."What a mendacious little troll you have a tendency to portray nowadays."

Look SR, I know I've belittled you over the past few weeks and made you look the fool, but perhaps a little restraint on your part would make you look less deranged.

There's no evidence Ben-Gurion said what its claimed he said. The end.

Re the downed building and who was actually there...

"The AP staff in Gaza City would witness a rocket launch right beside their office, endangering reporters and other civilians nearby—and the AP wouldn’t report it, not even in AP articles about Israeli claims that Hamas was launching rockets from residential areas. (This happened.) Hamas fighters would burst into the AP’s Gaza bureau and threaten the staff—and the AP wouldn’t report it. (This also happened.) Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)"

As to the non-payment of rent, the history is here...http://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/05/15/the-hamas-rocket-attacks-are-based-on-a-lie-n1447193

As usual the Babylon Bee gets to the nub of the issue.."http://babylonbee.com/news/luke-skywalker-condemned-for-blowing-up-associated-press-office-located-on-death-star

I wonder if Snopes will fact-check them?
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 10:10:35 AM
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To all the apologists and shills for the Israeli government.

Overnight the IDF bombed three buildings in a-Rimal. The list of dead thus far.

Amin Muhammad al-Qoalaq, 90 years old
Sa'diyah Yusef al-Qoalaq, 84 years old
Bahaa Amin Muhammad al-Qoalaq, 48 years old
Fawaz A,on Muhammad al-Qoalaq, 62 years old
Riham Fawaz Amin al-Qoalaq, 32 years old
Abd al-Hamid Fawaz al-Qoalaq, 22 years old
Sameh Fawaz Amin al-Qoalaq, 28 years old
Ayat Ibrahim Khalil al-Qoalaq, 19 years old
Qusai Sameh Fawaz al-Qoalaq, 6 months
Du'aa 'Omar 'Abdallah al-Qoalaq, 38 years old
Muhammad Mu'in Muhammad al-Qoalaq, 41 years old
Hala Muhammad Mu'in al-Qoalaq, 13 years old
Yara Muhammad Mu'in al-Qoalaq, 9 years old
Rula Muhammad Mu'in al-Qoalaq, 6 years old
Amal Jamil Salameh al-Qoalaq, 42 years old
Hanaa Shukri Amin al-Qoalaq, 14 years old
Ahmad Shukri Amin al-Qoalaq, 15 years old
Taher Shukri Amin al-Qoalaq, 23 years old
Izat Mu'in Muhammad al-Qoalaq, 44 years old
Adam 'Izat Mu'in al-Qoalaq, 3 years old
Zeid 'Izat Mu'in al-Qoalaq, 8 years old
Abeer Nimer 'Ali Ishkuntana, 29 years old
Zein Riyad Hassan Ishkuntana, 2 years old
Yihia Riyad Hassan Ishkuntana, 4 years old
Dana Riyad Hassan Ishkuntana, 9 years old
Ayman Tawfiq Isma'il Abu al-'Oaf, 49 years old
Tawfiq Ayman Tawfiq Abu al-'Oaf, 17 years old
Tala Ayman Tawfiq Abu al-'Oaf, 13 years old
Rawan 'Alaa Subhi Abu al-'Oaf, 19 years old
Rim Ahmad Khalil Abu al-'Oaf, 40 years old
Dima Rami Riyad al-Afranji, 15 years old
Hazem 'Adel Na'im al-Qame', 48 years old
Mu'in Ahmad Hassan ak-'Alul, 66 years old
Luai Muhammad Ahmad 'Odeah, 54 years old
Khitam Salim al-Qoalaq, 52 Years old
Lana Riyad Hassan Ishkuntana, years old
Subhiyeh Isma'il Abi al-'Oaf, 73 years old
Majdiyeh Khalil Abu al- 'Oaf, 82 years old
Rajaa Subhi al-Afranji, 41 years old
Amir Rami Riyad al-Afranji, 9 years old
Yazan Rami Riyad al-Afranji, 13 years old
Mira Rami Riyad al-Afranji, 11 years old
Muhammad Eki, 40 years old

This toll will likely have some of you jumping for joy, scrambling for hollow justifications, or turning a blind eye. But you are all complicit.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 10:37:57 AM
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Dear mhaze,

Mate, get off your high horse. Calling anyone who disagrees with the IDF narrative “jew-haters” is about as deranged as it gets so park your criticism on that front. My slightly elevated language is nothing compared to that slur.

So you had claimed “There is no evidence he ever said or thought such a thing.”. I produced evidence that he most definitely 'thought such a thing'. You have now reverted back to “There's no evidence Ben-Gurion said what its claimed he said. The end.”

Rubbish. The 1938 speech clearly shows Nahum Goldmann's quote is more than likely to have happened than any suggestion that it didn't. Why are you even engaged in attempting revisionist history on this anyway? Was it just a pathetic attempt to disparage all the points rache raised or are you really that invested in it?

Snopes is doing its job. These memes that go out into the social media sphere are taken up and disseminated by people who believe they are true. Just because stuff is self evidently bunkum to many of us doesn't mean they don't need debunking.

And look at you now, regurgitating a 2014 story regarding the AP offices and intimating it is current. Your mendacity really is a feature of what you post nowadays isn't it. Snopes would have you for breakfast old boy. How about an apology.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 11:15:23 AM
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Do you think that these people would have died if the Palestinian activists had kept a low profile lately ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 11:41:02 AM
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SR,

I'm not characterising rache based on her rejection of IDF views. I'm basing the characterisation on her, and for that matter, your, jaundiced unthinking pro-Palestinian assertions.

"And look at you now, regurgitating a 2014 story regarding the AP offices and intimating it is current."

I didn't intimate anything. Its simply evidence that Hamas and the AP were in the building that was taken out. Other evidence also exists - eg the recording of the building's owner talking to the IDf; the fact that the US intelligence was provided the proof which they accepted.

The press existed cheek-by-jowl with Hamas intelligence. People like you beleiving they aren't being misled by that media is just sad.

If Hamas wants the bombing to stop, they just have to stop. They started firing at Israel and reaped the results. They stop...the Israelis stop
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 3:22:05 PM
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You're all forgetting one thing...

And many of us on this forum do this right here.

PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO LASH OUT WHEN BACKED INTO A CORNER.

What if all those people listed were family and friends I'd known all my life?

Can any of you put yourself in that situation?

For me, you'd all want to hope I had something else to live for; REGARDLESS OF MY RELIGION
- Because if I don't have something more to live for;
Then I just might be pushed to a point where I feel there's no other choice except to try and get some payback.

Israel creates it's own perpetual problem and you know why?
This is how it slowly tightens then noose and takes what it wants.
And it's been doing it for decades.

These dead people are just statistics, par for the course
In Israels plan for the future.

How many here lashed out when backed into a corner.
- And we just chat.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 9:24:35 PM
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