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The third person of the Trinity: the Spirit : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 5/10/2017

Calling the trinitarian entities 'persons' is obviously metaphorical since they are not persons as you and I are persons.

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Yuyutsu

It seems that mAyate is " measure" . mayate "exchange" < ma "go"
PIE me "devise skilfully " > maya "illusion" from Greek metis etc.
mAyAtmaka "consisting of illusion.essentially illusionary".

Tagalog mayat "corpse".
Australian Gamilaroi maayirr "wind". These two seem linked to this:
"In ancient Vedic literature, maya literally implies extraordinary power and wisdom . In Buddhist Tantra, the practitioner takes on the form of a deity in an illusory body (mayadeha), which is like the magician's illusion. It is made of wind, or prana, and is called illusory because it appears only to other yogis who have also attained the illusory body."
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 6 October 2017 7:54:59 PM
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The Holy Trinity
Divine spirits. For they are not human
The divinity or holy trinity is supposed to be God. not human.

There is one divine spirit that exists in equal essence across the universe
That is not included in the Divine trinity of the Christian religion because it has been
excluded.

The divine trinity should be the Father, Mother,Sister,Son and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit has to be the essence of the entities or else they can’t be divine and must only be human. I think that is what the writer of this article is trying to say and I agree with that. However, the female essence is as prevalent and dominates just as much across the universe therefore without inclusion of the female divine spirit the Christian version of universal divinity,is flawed. The universe cannot function without the female divinity.
It’s existence cannot be said to not exist because it so obviously is everywhere in the cosmos as much as the male

Therefore it is.:- "In the name of the Father,Mother,Sister, Son, all of the holy spirits.
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 6 October 2017 8:43:04 PM
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To Sells.

I'll admit, I'm not the most scholarly. With the differing views of the Trinity verses nontrinity perspectives (among other topics) being named, debated, and criticized by doctrine and theology scholars, the debates are a bit much. But here is what I can share. Miracles happen in today's modern world. I see no reason to doubt they occured when Jesus walked the earth, or before when God showed He is in charge. If a scholar says miracles don't exist then I'd counter that I'm not the one sheltered but he is. Also to note, not all bible scholars are Christian. Their doubt in God does not fill me with the assurance that the title of scholar is worth the merit it assumes for itself.

For the Trinity. There is enough debate to fill many pages (again as scholars and bible students try to understand), but there is more focus on God and Jesus then on the Holy Spirit. In my opinion a talk about the Holy Spirit is a worth while topic. And as I said before, I agree that an experience with the Holy Spirit is a moment with God.

Take my critism or my questioning if you want, but I'm not against your last two points in the article. And I think a talk about who and what the Holy Spirit is, is a worth while conversation.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 7 October 2017 5:04:56 PM
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To AJ Philips.

[However, you were unable to counter my point that there are more rational explanations for experiences.]

Look again. It was a lengthy discussion. With a word count limit it is easier to condense a critism and doubt towards an argument, then it is to explain and justify. I countered your points and moved on to the next point. To the best of my ability I addressed your points fairly without resorting to short replies that don't address much.

As for the experiences .... Your counter point is mostly a short "there are other Explainations." With the wider diversity of experiences that counterpoint just doesn't hold up. Look I get that my experiences aren't all healing ministry wow and wonderment. There is one experience in that boat, and it holds credibility. But to the others they are an accumulation of experiences that are diverse enough to not be justified by a simple "your imaging things," or "it was a coincidence." That said don't take my experiences if you don't want. Consider a few that I've heard. A man in debt recieves a large sum of money by a person who says they felt or heard God directing them to help the man out. That type of experience happens often enough even though it is still rare.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 7 October 2017 6:50:37 PM
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Here's a bottom line point to consider though. There are more spiritual experiences to show that either God or something is out there. These experiences might be less prevalent then say cancer (you probably know several people in your family or a friend's family that have dealt with cancer), but spiritual experiences are more prevalent then homosexuality. (Unless you are part of the homosexual community and know others through simular likes, it's likely you only know a few homosexuals. Those who've had a spiritual experience are quite common. And they are diverse enough to not be easily challenged by one explaination.

If you say they don't know what's real or not, or it's all in their head, what grounds do you have that homosexuals aren't just making it up too, and don't really know if they can be streight or not. Are you saying that the magority of people have mental lapses and don't know what's real or not, but you and those you who support your ideals are sane and trustworthy in judgment?

Don't be a Hippocrate, instead go with the easy answer. Experience trumps understanding and rationel. If one doesn't agree with another, then experience holds more weight. This is true with both homosexual attraction as well as spiritual experiences.

[I had provided no false criticisms.]

Look again. When discussing answered prayers , you address the phenomena of answered prayer to a guy who loses his keys and eventually find them, making the prayer to find them meaningless. Tell me that is not a false criticism! Tell me this is a counterpoint to an experience I gave you explaining how I found my keys! Go on, tell me it's not false. Nor is it a weak representation of prayer in general.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 7 October 2017 6:52:50 PM
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All this assumes that there is a God to start with.

Then, I suppose, one can debate anything, even the existence of the Easter Bunny. Debate is debate.

Weather or not there is a God is another question, let alone that the God is Three Gods, One being Human, another a Vapour. What exactly is the Head God? Is he/she also a Spirit? Then, there is the seating Hierarchy question. The Head God sits in the Middle, of course. The second, in rank, (Jesus) sits on the Head Gods Right, the Lesser third God (Holy Ghost) sits on the Left. Yet all the Gods are supposedly to be considered as equal. So how can that be, given the seating arrangement.

Then there is the Question of just who get the most Publicity. That being Jesus, the Human. The Holy Ghost, the spirit, rarely rates a mention, as does the Head God also. Now I would have thought that the Head God would have to be the one that gets the most Worship & attention, but he doesn't. Strange that. One could say that The two Spirits don't get a mention because they are Spirits & Jesus, being Flesh & Blood, is more worthy. But he's dead therefore now a Spirit also.

All three should get equal time, but they don't. They should get recognised as one entity, but they don't. All very confusing.
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 7 October 2017 7:46:22 PM
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