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The third person of the Trinity: the Spirit : Comments
By Peter Sellick, published 5/10/2017Calling the trinitarian entities 'persons' is obviously metaphorical since they are not persons as you and I are persons.
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To Nicknamenick. If you have nothing to say, then don't say anything. Talking with nothing of value doesn't make you clever. Neither does mocking with no sence make you greater. It only shows you as a bother, like an annoying fly. Be humble therefore for your own sake. Better to be silent and take in observations, then speak and show you know nothing.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 6 October 2017 6:04:36 PM
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//The second point on the stories of the bible being just stories and not real.//
'Just stories'? There's naught wrong with stories. Stories are important, and meaningful, and the best ones are truthful even when they're fantasy. As Neil Gaiman puts it so beautifully in his poem 'Locks': 'We owe it to each other to tell stories'. Amen. http://endicottstudio.typepad.com/poetrylist/locks-by-neil-gaiman.html As for being not real? Obviously some it is just stories: the parables are explicitly just stories used to illustrate a moral point, and that's OK. Clearly, some of the miracles in the Bible are just stories. Have you read the book of Jonah? A man gets swallowed whole by a large fish, interpreted by some as a whale, and survives just fine and gets spat up again three days later? The Bible isn't a science textbook. It is ripe with allegory, metaphor, and all the other good things that make a great story. It's not meant to be taken literally. After all, 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe' tells pretty much the same story, and it features magic furniture, talking beavers, and Father Christmas. Oh, and explicit references to witchcraft and black magic... but for some reason the sort of Christians that hate books always go after Harry Potter rather than the Chronicles of Narnia. Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 6 October 2017 6:12:12 PM
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Dear Nick,
'Maya' is derived from 'ma' (= negation) + 'yat' (= which is). So it means "that which is not", "the not what it is", or how we perceive reality as opposed to the reality itself. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 6 October 2017 6:16:38 PM
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Not_Now.Soon,
Yes, we did have a lengthy discussion. However, you were unable to counter my point that there are more rational explanations for experiences. I had provided no false criticisms. All my criticisms were relevant and still stand, which is why I was surprised to see you here telling atheists that they should be opening their eyes to something. So, again, what is it? Because the fact that many people have spiritual experiences is evidence of nothing. Given what we know about neurology, it would be surprising if they didn't. Posted by AJ Philips, Friday, 6 October 2017 6:55:54 PM
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Not_now soon, (the man with an eschatological name!)
You sound like you have led a sheltered Christian life if you are not aware that there are many biblical scholars and theologians who do not take the miracle stories as descriptions of actual events. You also seem to fall into the trap of tritheism when you isolate the persons of the Trinity. I thought Toni Lavis' comment was on the money. The church has become a ghetto because outsiders rightly see belief in non material beings that nevertheless can influence the material. This is a very modern phenomenon that is at odds with the way the early Church expressed itself. It dates back to Isaac Newton, an Arian heretic who could not accept the results of the council of Nicaea that the Son was of one substance with the father. Posted by Sells, Friday, 6 October 2017 7:35:39 PM
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NNS: Christians aren't the only ones who have spiritual experiences, nor are all spiritual experiences good ones but you will deny them anyways?
People with Mental Illnesses have spiritual experiences. To quote a great Comedian, "The Devil made ne do it." NNS: Because they are not reasonable? Or because you aren't as reasonable as you think? , No, they are not reasonable. To quote the Rock Man, "You sees what you wanna see & you hears what you wanna hear." NNS: To Jayb. Are you the only one who doesn't know? Seems most others here have theories to explain the spiritual elements of the world. How can you not be even aware of them? I don't have to have a Theory on something which, "isn't." Oh, alright. It's a Boogie Man Story & there ain't no Boogie Man. Posted by Jayb, Friday, 6 October 2017 7:36:51 PM
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