@grateful, Saturday, 10 December 2016 2:22:36 PM

"From their behaviour, I don't see Runner or Pilgrim as followers of Jesus because they come with a message of hate and intolerance...and the views that they propagate."

Once again grateful I call you to account for your complete and utter misunderstanding of my comments; so much so that I am beginning to suspect your condition is pathological.

If you continue to misunderstand (and totally misinterpret) what I have written, you leave me no alternative but to call you a complete fool.

Pilgrim,

Your premise is that the violence stems from the Qur'an and your only objection to deportation is its impracticality. Obviously, Muslims are not Australian in your eyes and don't belong here.

David,

Why should Islamic leaders be apologising when a Muslim commits a crime? Do you ask the same of Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and other faith leaders?

AJ,

The Prophet's marriage to Ayesha is perfectly defensible and it is a reflection of the integrity of Islamic scholarship that you can take issue in the first place.

To everyone,

Why don't you treat this article with the contempt it deserves? The only time the author offers support for her long list of accusations is when she quotes Archbishop Welby. The Archbishop states that Muslims believe that Jesus will return with the Prophet.

As you can easily confirm, this is false. We believe Jesus will return. We don not believe the Prophet will return. The author has no credibility.

Islam is a religion that upholds the Biblical guidance such as the 10 Commandments and the Sermon of the Mount, and in fact laid the foundations for constitutional government long before the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights or US constitution through the Charter of Medina.

Among other things the Charter guaranteed its citizens (irrespective of their beliefs) freedom of religion, consultative government, and equality before the law.

grateful,

I don’t see how you have made the case that Muhammad’s (torment be upon him) marriage to Aisha was defensible. You haven’t addressed anything I said, and now you’re just re-asserting that the marriage was defensible. Furthermore, as I pointed out before, the fact that the marriage happened in the first place is a real problem for your religion, as anything that could qualify as a god would know that child marriage was wrong.

Speaking of re-asserting oneself, you never really gave any reliable evidence for your claim that Europeans/Anglos commit more child sex abuse than other ethnicities, even after I listed reasons as to why it may appear that way.

As for the article, I don't pay much attention to Babette's nonsense. Just look at her website. It links to Conservapedia, for Muhammad's sake!

@ grateful.

I make a final and yes, despairing attempt to you grateful to engage your intellect, and this is in spite of your being willfully obtuse.

Let’s return to what the Author wrote: she is clearly concerned about what *she* sees as the level of violence in Islam.

My sole purpose in quoting the Author was to endeavour to trace her argument to its initial conclusion: that being that violence is something "...inherent in Islam itself...". You will note that I did not, at any point, say that I agree.

If you disagree with the Author, which is to say that there’s nothing inherently violent in Islam, then address your reasons to the Author. Do not address your comments to me as I am not the one alleging this. In the same way that I remind you that I am *not* the one suggesting the wholesale deportation of Muslims, my reference is to those persons who suggest this. That you wilfully persist in attributing this suggestion to me is bizarre.

Now, are you capable of addressing the Author’s initial conclusion: that being that violence is something "...inherent in Islam itself...". , or do you dismiss the question of Islamic violence as being non-existent and therefore irrelevant?

Pilgrim: <<Let’s return to what the Author wrote: she is clearly concerned about what *she* sees as the level of violence in Islam.>>

Let's zero in on what is meant by "violence in Islam". Here is a list and I'll ask your advice as to whether it needs modification:

1. ISIS is following the teachings of Islam
2. Islam was spread by the sword
3. Islam teachings allow rape and domestic violence against women

Anything else?

Now, what about dealing with the violence that is inherent in Australian culture. Case in point from today's Age:

Violent brawl spills onto Flinders Street Station platforms
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/violent-brawl-spills-onto-flinders-street-platform-20161210-gt8gic.html

Finally, those who want to deport/intern/monitor Australians who follow Islam would argue that our values are incompatible with Australian values as expressed in the Australian values Statement: https://www.border.gov.au/LifeinAustralia/Documents/lia_english_full.pdf

I would argue that they are wrong. Islam is a religion that upholds the Biblical guidance such as the 10 Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount, and in fact laid the foundations for a constitutional government, through the Charter of Medina (622 AD), long before the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights or US constitution.

Among other things, the Charter guarantees its citizens (most of whom were non-Muslims at the time) freedom of religion, consultative government, and equality before the law.

There are many here who would argue against with this position. Let them speak up.

Pilgrim, I noticed you have not disassociated yourself from those who would advocate the need (if not the practicality) of deportation. Instead, you protest: "Thems not my words".

You raised the issue as significant so it's time for you to clarify your position.

We can all argue back and forth but I think this writer says it all
and while it is a depressing article to read, it does seem to hit the
nail squarely on the head.

http://tinyurl.com/znllf6r

There really is no hope for moslem countries and really there is
nothing the western or eastern countries countries can do to help.
I also agree with the author, just pull away from the middle east
and let it dissolve away.
Probably the kindest thing anyone can do.