I don't think it takes to many brains to think of whether you would like your young daughter to run into a group of Jesus followers or a group of Mohammed followers while out at night. Just ask the Germans. One group you might hate because they remind you of your sin but the other group is likely to see you as meat.

Pilgrim,

I don't mind running with your religion v ideology stunt. My reading of it is that Islam is an ideology committed to kill or convert the infidel blah blah. Correct?

And presumably, your "evidence" will be verses from the Qur'an, a speech by some wahabbi cleric and "as we all know Islam was spread by the sword" narrative.

But before we begin, let me say that your disingenuous remarks about not wanting to attack any posts while casually canvassing the practicalities of deporting me and my family (along with other Australians) fills me with contempt.

I went to my son's school award day today and watched as he and other Muslim boys stood before their parents, teachers and mates with awards for first-in-class in various subjects and sport. The boys sung the national anthem, in the local aboriginal tongue and English, and I was crying. For me the anthem is a song of gratitude.

I fully understand the aversion of people in the West towards religion having to experience people of your ilk.

That said, I'll steel myself for more glib posts as you make the case for Islam being an ideology. Take it away you god-forsaken git (although I'm half expecting you'll to wimp out; that being the nature of people like you).

grateful:"I fully understand the aversion of people in the West towards religion having to experience people of your ilk."

I don't want to post a glib post, but please explain this sentence you wrote. In plain English please.

@grateful, , Friday, 9 December 2016 10:30:24 PM

Congratulations. You have managed to completely and utterly misunderstand my comments as well as attribute to me conclusions that I do not make.

Example: “I don't mind running with your religion v ideology stunt…”.

In so far as that may be a reference to anything I have said, you will find that in the first and second paragraphs I am quoting the Author – to whom your comments should rightly be directed. At no point do I say that I agree. Again, it is the Author who uses the word “ideology”. As to “evidence”, take that up with the Author. What on earth makes you think that I quote “ideology” with approval? In fact I go on to conclude that whatever logic the Author wishes to display is in fact misplaced, and that her overall conclusion won’t work.

You contribute further to your silliness when you say: “…let me say that your disingenuous remarks about not wanting to attack any posts while casually canvassing the practicalities of deporting me and my family (along with other Australians) fills me with contempt.”

Once again, what on earth makes you think that is my idea? I endeavour to point out (by implication) that it is openly discussed – which indeed it is, but critically I go on to point out the complete fallacy and total impracticality of such a notion – indeed I issue a warning to those of that mind that once you start down that path, there is no turning back.

As I said above, you have managed to completely and utterly misunderstand my comments as well as attribute to me conclusions that I do not make. Common decency prevents me from calling you a fool.

Grateful, the problem that non Moslem Australian Australians have is that when things such as the Cronulla riots or the rape of a young woman happen, too few of the Moslem leaders come out publicly in the media and condemn their young men for their behavior. In the latter case, a senior imam made derogatory remarks about young women which were decidedly unhelpful to your cause. Unless your leaders are much more proactive in condemning bad behavior by your young men, this anti Moslem sentiment will continue.

On another track, I find your explanation of the Prophet's marriages to be quite reasonable, taking into account the traditions in the Arab world at the time. That is something others might also like to consider. However, these marriage traditions are not current Western traditions and it is also not helpful to your cause when people of other traditions try to maintain their traditions in Australia.

David

grateful,

I’m not too interesting in whether Muhammed (torment be upon him) was a paedophile or not. Paedophilia is not a crime and not all paedophiles offend. What I’m concerned about is the child sex abuse, and what occurred to Aisha was child sex abuse because she would not have felt that she could turn down or resist the advances of a man who was so much older. And even if she did consent to sex, she was too young to give that consent anyway.

Your quotes don’t get around this.

A further problem for your religion is the fact that, of all the communicating your god supposedly did through Muhammed (torment be upon him), he couldn’t even say, “Child marriage is wrong.” This is why the ‘context of the times’ argument doesn’t work. Firstly, a god would not be bound by the context of the times, and; secondly, there is no context in which child marriage is right.

Your religion is made-up nonsense, leaving its contemporary followers to defend the indefensible.