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Abbas abandons peace negotiations with Israel : Comments

By David Singer, published 24/8/2016

Mahmoud Abbas’s decision to prosecute Britain for publishing the 1917 Balfour Declaration amounts to an outright rejection of the right of the Jewish people to have their own state.

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A Chinese researcher, Tu Youyou was awarded half the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for discovering Artemisinin, "a drug that has significantly reduced the mortality rates for patients suffering from Malaria". Good on her.

I guess we can now ignore the Chinese occupation of Tibet, or their terrible record on human rights. Because if their medical researchers come up with useful life-saving treatments then that makes everything they do OK, right Dave?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 9 September 2016 1:20:59 PM
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#Emperor

Your citing of Arab achievments in algebra and chemistry occurred many centuries ago. It apparently has been all downhill since then if your apparent inability to find anything else is any guide.

Have you nothing of import that may have happened in the Arab world among the vast Arab nation of about 367 million people in the last 10 years?

Here are another three recent Israeli achievements coming from a population of about 8 million people - 20% of whom are Arabs:

1.The US FDA has approved the use of the WatchPAT Sleep Apnea device from Israel’s Itamar Medical being extended to adolescents of twelve years old and above. Previously, WatchPAT was only approved for use on those aged seventeen and above.

2. In just one week, eight Syrians who were severely injured in artillery strikes on a hospital were evacuated by Israeli helicopters from Syria to Israel. They included two children, aged 7 and 11. Israel has treated 2,500 wounded Syrians over the past 3 years.

3. Salah Abd Alhalem, Adam Garah and Ayman Sarha’an from Israel’s Technion Institute have invented a device that correlates a watermelon's internal and external appearance. Using three pictures of the melon at different angles, an algorithm determines its taste rating with 100% accuracy.

Score is now Israel 18 - Arabs 0

You are falling further behind with each post.

Put your Jew hatred aside, do some research and trumpet a few Arab achievements that will benefit humankind (if you can find any).
Posted by david singer, Friday, 9 September 2016 1:34:43 PM
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Re Moslem achievements (not that they have anything to do with the rights and wrongs of the Zionist theft of Palestine) there is an interesting article by a Moslem at
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/why-muslims-have-only-few-nobel-prizes.aspx?pageID=449&nID=52473&NewsCatID=411

The writer's opening sentence establishes that he is mired in religious superstition, but his article goes on to explain why Arabs had so much to contribute in the year 1000 and so little today.

Israel is a Western colonial possession and as such shares the knowhow inherited from the European Enlightenment. It does not, however, share the values of the late 1940s Nuremberg trials which codify what was learnt from the Nazi aggression of the mid-1940s which could be defeated only by years of relentless destruction and not by a few puny rockets fired into its heartland.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 9 September 2016 3:14:38 PM
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#Toni

Your attempt to connect China's occupation of Tibet since 1950 - a previously sovereign independent State - with the position in the West Bank and Gaza is disingenuous for the following reasons:

1.Gaza and the West Bank have never been sovereign independent States.
2. 100% of Gaza's population is governed by Hamas.
3. 95% of the Arab population of the West Bank presently residing in Areas "A" and "B" of the West Bank are governed by the PLO under the Oslo Accords.
4. The remaining 5% of the West Bank Arab population are located in Area "C" and are governed by Israel under the Oslo Accords.

What China has done cannot be condoned under any circumstances. China will never allow Tibet to become an independent State once again.

Israel made offers in 2000/1 and 2007 to cede its claims to sovereignty in more than 90% of the West Bank and all of Gaza to enable a second sovereign independent Arab State to be created in former Palestine in addition to Jordan. Those offers were rejected by the PLO.

# Emperor

I found the closing paragraph in the article you cited -which you conveniently ignored - very relevant.

"However, today’s common Muslim mind, including the intellectual Muslim mind, is quite insular, and is focused on protecting an “Islamic” (and quite closed) mental sphere from influences from the outside world. The result is a defensive culture that refuses to engage with the ideas of “the unbelievers,” and therefore only repeats what it has learned from its own forebears. If we Muslims want more Nobel Prizes – and all the knowledge, sophistication and success that they imply – we must begin with challenging this closed-mindedness, and strive to have more open minds."

"Closed-mindedness" by the 21 Arab States - with the notable exception of Jordan and Egypt - in refusing to accept the Jewish-state of Israel and its amazing achievements for all human kind that I have been detailing - needs to end.

So does your Jew-hatred to see Israel disappear off the map.

Focus on creating - not destroying.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 10 September 2016 9:45:08 AM
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I think I'm getting the hang of Mr Singer's shrill advocacy of a disgraceful cause – his mind is so blinded by racist prejudice that he has no eye for detail and can't get his mind around the blindingly obvious.

Take this example (and there are boundless others):

“I found the closing paragraph in the article you cited - which you conveniently ignored - very relevant.”

My cited response to the author's closing paragraph, far from conveniently ignoring it

“[The writer's] article goes on to explain why Arabs had so much to contribute in the year 1000 and so little today.”

The noises going on in Mr Singer's head (“Jew haters”, “antisemites”, “Nazi final solutions” etc etc) completely drown out all detail of what appears in plain English before him. Like the words “and so little today”.

The details of reality so escape Mr Singer's attention that he has no conception of the world-changing history that separates a colonialist declaration of the nineteen twenties from the postwar decolonisation and the values that have come with it. He finds too difficult the difference between a state and the individuals living and working and achieving within it. This despite the precedent of a state – the racist Boer apartheid state of South Africa – being wiped off the face of the earth. Demolished. Old history. Without injury to the people living within it. Just another detail whose relevance escapes those whose thinking is drowned out by propaganda-fed race-supremacist gut instincts.

Mr Singer is a lost cause, so bound by the chains of racism as to be unable to engage with reality-based discourse as to repeat endless rehashes of complaints about this or that Western national or political voice that doesn't buy the racist claim of a God-chosen race born to rule over “inferiors”. He can't even see racism when it stares him in the face.

Maybe (but not in this dying thread) I'll outline a just, non-racist two state solution for Palestine. It's not rocket science.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 10 September 2016 1:52:32 PM
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#Emperor

I am well aware that you conceded the Arabs have produced precious little to advance humankind for many centuries.

It would have been more honest for you to point out the reason attributed by the author of the article you specifically cited : closed - mindedness.

You knew this was the author's conclusion but sought to cover up the reason because you exhibit the same trait: closed-mindedness.

Jew-hatred can be soul-destroying and in your case this is clearly evident.

Now you come up with this doozy:

"Maybe (but not in this dying thread) I'll outline a just, non-racist two state solution for Palestine. It's not rocket science."

Why keep the readers in suspense?

It's not rocket science to understand that when you make a claim like this then you need to substantiate it.

Put up or shut up.

BTW - here are another three examples of what Jews in the Jewish State are doing:

1. A covert operation has ensured that Yehia (born with multiple heart defects) is the first Afghan to have been treated by Israel’s Save a Child’s Heart organization - (SACH) - joining some 4,000 children from over 50 other countries who have been similarly saved. SACH has trained nearly 80 physicians and nurses at the SACH center in Israel from China, Ethiopia, Moldova, Nigeria, the Palestinian Authority, Eritrea, Vietnam, Kenya and Zanzibar.

2. Researchers at Tel Aviv University and in the Netherlands have developed a breakthrough material that can be “morphed” into any shape. The programmable metamaterial could be ideal for prostheses or wearable technology in which a close fit with the body is important.

3. A delegation of 10 Australian cybersecurity and fintech startups will take part in an accelerator program in Tel Aviv in September to boost Sydney’s position as an innovation hub. It is part of the Australian Government’s Landing Pads initiative to promote innovation and entrepreneurship in Australia.

As you now acknowledge - the Arabs have done nothing really positive for centuries.

No use keeping the score. It is an Israeli walkover.

Open your mind and acknowledge Israel's amazing achievements.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 11 September 2016 1:21:20 PM
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