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Abbas abandons peace negotiations with Israel : Comments

By David Singer, published 24/8/2016

Mahmoud Abbas’s decision to prosecute Britain for publishing the 1917 Balfour Declaration amounts to an outright rejection of the right of the Jewish people to have their own state.

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David
Could you explain how the omitted sentences change the previous sentences? Is the logic wrong in the main quote?
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 26 August 2016 4:05:07 PM
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#nicknamenick

I am not interested in discussing some remarks supposedly attributed verbatim to Ben Gurion which he allegedly made in a private conversation in 1956 - that were not made public until 1978 - five years after Ben Gurion died.

Perhaps you would do better to discuss the subject matter of my article - Abbas abandoning negotiations with Israel by threatening to prosecute Britain for having the temerity to have issued the Balfour Declaration in 1917.

The Balfour Declaration and its terms is not a matter of conjecture. Nor is the Mandate for Palestine that followed it in 1922 or article 80 of the UN Charter or the 1947 UN Partition Plan

All of these documents have been rejected by the Palestinian Arabs who continue to deny the right of the Jews to reconstitute their national home in what the international community recognised as the ancient historic and biblical homeland of the Jews. They can complain at what the international community decided till the cows come home - but where has such rejection over the last 100 years got them?

That Roberts, Are and Geoff are peeved and are doing everything underhanded they can to deny the Jews such rights legally vested in them by the League of Nations and the United Nations is disgraceful.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 26 August 2016 7:43:05 PM
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David states:

"All of these documents have been rejected by the Palestinian Arabs who continue to deny the right of the Jews to reconstitute their national home in what the international community recognised as the ancient historic and biblical homeland of the Jews. They can complain at what the international community decided till the cows come home - but where has such rejection over the last 100 years got them?

That Roberts, Are and Geoff are peeved and are doing everything underhanded they can to deny the Jews such rights legally vested in them by the League of Nations and the United Nations is disgraceful."

Well sorry, 'reconstitute' since when has anyone been able to do this? Talk about a fallacy, the mind boggles at what you will come up with next!

As to the 'legally vested by the...' Again, since when did these two organisations be given the right to allow one single group of racist, militant people the authority to create a new nation on land already occupied by others, including Arabs, Jews etc? This is a precedent unheard of, and look at the true result, ethnic cleansing and never ending violence in the surrounding middle eastern countries which now surround the ersatz 'nation' of Israel.

You can harp on as long as you like David, however, the unblinkered people of the world, including many non-Zionist Jews, see right through the propoganda, the neocon-US funded and backed financial and military support to a nation conducting genocide in Gaza and the unfettered clandestine military support which has been the primary reason for the destruction of Iraq, Syria and beyond.

The world is watching, can see it for what it really is, but unlike me, is too afraid of the ridiculously powerful 'Jewish Lobby', to lay the truth on the table. You are a straw man, an emperor with no clothes, pitiful really.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Saturday, 27 August 2016 1:48:51 AM
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Interesting that David avoids my q about the logic of Ben Gurion alleged opinion.
Now to the logic of UN. If David heroically stands to defend the authority of legal declarations then how does he support expansion by Israel outside them? Are not Israel and rebel Arabs policies both a disgraceful rejection?
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 27 August 2016 9:42:23 AM
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#Geoff the Jew hater

Your silence confirms you are not an innocent victim duped by Roberts and Are - but rather someone who deliberately spreads their malicious propaganda to deceive and mislead.

You now ask:
"Well sorry, 'reconstitute' since when has anyone been able to do this? Talk about a fallacy, the mind boggles at what you will come up with next!"

No fallacy Geoff. Well might your mind boggle,

My quote - unlike yours - is 100% accurate

The Jews gained the legal right to "reconstitute the Jewish National Home" in Palestine when all 51 members of the League of Nations unanimously voted for this to happen in 0.01% of the Ottoman Empire territory liberated after 400 years of Ottoman rule in 1917 - whilst Arab self determination was to occur in the remaining 99.99%.

Iran was - but the USA was not - a League member.

Great outcome for the Arabs.but not equitable enough however as they have now turned the MIddle East into killing fields slaughtering their own fellow Arabs and making millions homeless as they argue over who should rule the 99.99%. Your silence is deafening.

There was no people identified as "Palestinians" in 1922. The Arab residents were part of "the non-Jewish communities" in Palestine

The partition plan in 1947 called for the creation of a "Jewish" State and an "Arab" State. Still not good enough for the Arabs who rejected that proposal by invading Palestine with six Arab armies.

The Arabs could have created another Arab State in all of the West Bank and Gaza between 1948 and 1967 with the stroke of an Arab League pen but failed to do so..

"Palestinians" were only artificially created by false Arab propaganda in 1964 which you deliberately paper over as you seek to deny the Jews any rights at all in their 3000 years old ancient,biblical and internationally recognised homeland.

Dragging out the "ridiculously powerful "Jewish lobby" " red herring shows how low you have sunk.

Swallowing propaganda will only give you serious indigestion.

Try digesting facts for a change.

Can really work wonders.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 27 August 2016 3:16:33 PM
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David
Aren't facts just wonderful? Israel at .01% is 1/10,000 of Ottoman empire. However Ottoman was 1.8 mill. sq km and Israel at 20,000 km is 1.1% or 1/90. Anyway a small Arab enclave of 200 km would be OK inside Israel next to the Temple? Or maybe just bring the borders in 1 km to show area means nothing? They say Israeli soldiers wept when they reached the Wall 1967.
Encyclopedia Brittanica 2007. The Arabs of Palestine began widely using the term Palestinian starting in the pre-World War I period to indicate the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people.( B Lewis 1999). Semites and Anti-Semites , An Inquiry into Conflict and Prejudice .p 169.

Palestine was the British term and the people were P-.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 27 August 2016 7:23:52 PM
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