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Bringing Muslims back to Islam : Comments

By Murray Hunter, published 28/10/2015

Islam somehow lost the intellectual initiative and needs to regain its place and dignity in the world.

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grateful, don't confuse mathematical proof with support for a hypothesis and Aristotle did not arrive to his views with the scientific method but by train of thought. Where is Islamic introspection now, or in history? It has never opened itself to interrogation.

What we need, grateful, is muslims like you to loudly denounce ISIS' actions and to expose any part of the community that is influenced towards action here on its behalf or is preaching to incite violence here. In return, you will receive the respect and protection you need from the community. Start by speaking out against the comments of the Grand Mufti.

Troops and bombs against ISIS over there will not provide us security here at home. Only our muslim community can do that. Please help by your actions rather than your argument.
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 19 November 2015 4:26:57 PM
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Good grief, I forgot the Egyptians ! They've been irrigating - does anybody remember the shaduf, from school, a means of lifting water up to higher and higher levels, before Archimedes' screw ? Brilliant ! - for at least six thousand years, Africans irrigating their crops every year from the Nile, nearly five thousand years before any Muslims saw their first irrigation channel and marvelled.

I'm waiting for the Grand Mufti to say, unambiguously, that ISIS are the murderers, the assassins, the thugs, doing the killing in Paris and Beirut and northern Nigeria. And in Egypt. And in Turkey. Not just to express grief and sorrow, but to express it for the victims, i.e. the victims of ISIS. Otherwise it's all just tuqqiya. Similarly Waleed Aly.

By gee, there ain't half been some clever bastards. Always just a tiny baby-step ahead of the pack.

My questions about the relationship between Muslims, ISIS and the Yazidis were just that: questions. They shouldn't have been where they were ? So is it their fault they're getting exterminated as we speak/write/read ? But they have been in what is now northern Iraq and N-E Syria since long before Christ was in nappies, bothering no-one.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 19 November 2015 4:50:17 PM
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Dear Joe,

A few chooks, a vegetable garden and a couple of cows is just one option. It should also be possible to form alternate societies of various sizes.

Now I am not saying that it is in fact necessary to split society: rather, the fact that it is possible to do so is the best safeguard against tyranny, including the tyranny of a democratic majority.

Also, once it is possible to opt out, I would no longer have a moral issue with society as it stands, so most likely I will stay in it happily. Still I would continue to work from within and suggest different tweaks of improvement like I just did, regarding voting.

You seem to suggest that people over 25 are necessarily responsible voters: clearly they are on average more responsible than those under 25, but many still have no particularly strong preferences. Why should those who don't care much either way be, on account of a technicality, imposing a certain way of life on others for which the same issues that they care little about make a world of differences?

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Dear Grateful,

Thank you - I really enjoyed and was impressed by the lecture of Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi.

It's a clear and authoritative Fatwa against Daesh in particular and terror in general. I wish more people - both Muslims and non-Muslims will have a chance to see it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 19 November 2015 7:04:05 PM
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//Are you then suggesting that ISIS are a bunch of Islamic fascists ? If so, I fully agree. And yet, they claim to be following the Koran to the letter, isn't that so ?//

Yeah, and runner claims to be following the Bible to the letter. Claiming to follow something and actually following aren't the same thing, are they?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 19 November 2015 10:32:01 PM
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"What we need, grateful, is muslims like you to loudly denounce ISIS' actions and to expose any part of the community that is influenced towards action here on its behalf or is preaching to incite violence here. In return, you will receive the respect and protection you need from the community. Start by speaking out against the comments of the Grand Mufti."

No Mr. Luciferase, what we need is for people like you to overcome your prejudices. You have no reason to believe that ISIS represents Islam or that I am a supporter of Islam, and yet you make these assertions based on what? Based on the claims of the criminals you think i have a special obligation to condemn. Go jump!

Islam is not responsible or accountable for these peoples actions nor am i.

Yuyutsu watched the lecture by Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi, a real scholar in Islam and his response was "It's a clear and authoritative Fatwa against Daesh in particular and terror in general. I wish more people - both Muslims and non-Muslims will have a chance to see it."

In case you missed it, this is the lecture:
"Refuting ISIS" by Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi
http://masud.co.uk/refuting-isis-shaykh-muhammad-al-yaqoubi/
Posted by grateful, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:31:14 AM
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Correction: You have no reason to believe that ISIS represents Islam or that I am a supporter of ISIS
Posted by grateful, Friday, 20 November 2015 11:30:01 AM
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