Hardly hypothetical, McAdam - the topic relates directly to the nature of democracy and attacks on it, subtle as they may be, by extremists.

Democracy in Australia directly involves the protection of the rights of all Australians, including Muslim girls and women. One of those rights is the right not to be abused and exploited.

One corollary of those rights involves the right of young girls not to be married off before a statutory age, and not without their full concurrence.

So the question remains: do you or don't you support child, i.e. under-age, marriages ? Yes ? No ?

Joe

Loudmouth: So the question remains: do you or don't you support child, i.e. under-age, marriages ? Yes ? No ?

More to the point McAdam as Australia is a Democracy & the people in Australia have Laws against Child Abuse.

McAdam: The topic being that fanning religious or racial hatred and spreading discord and division is not good for Australia.

Is Australia's Refusal to allow moslem men to marry & have sex with underage children, spreading discord, racial hatred, and division?

Does Australia's jailing of moslems who marry & have sex with underage little girls constitute Persecution & Oppression of moslems?

Sheesh, now every Muslim's a paedophile!

Obviously, every Pom is too, because...Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter...

Let's not mention any of the Australian rock-spiders...

On the other hand, I'd be prepared to bet my life that only a generation or 3 ago the ancestry of all of you holier-than-thou ratbags contains mothers who were 12 or not much older.

Fair dinkum, you lot are nongs!

Reductio ad absurdum, Igor. Who ever said that all Muslims are paedophiles ? Is that how you understand questions about child marriage ?

But while we are on the subject, what's YOUR take on it ? Do YOU support child marriage ? Even 'only' for Muslims ?

Let's get to the nub: do you support different rights (and, for girls, fewer rights) for Muslims than for other Australians ? Do you understand the notion of the separation of culture/church and State ? That people can believe what they like, and ALL still come under the same laws, especially those regarding the rights of women, especially children ?

And if their beliefs don't quite mesh with those laws, then tough, suck it up: re-examine your beliefs to see how inequality and injustice can have a place in them.

Joe

CM: Sheesh, now every Muslim's a paedophile!

No Craig you have deliberately misunderstood. You are probably right about the past though. E.g Mary, the mother of Joshua (Jesus) was only 13 when she gave birth to him, 12 when she was inseminated. But, this is not about the past. The World has moved on. Well, at least in the West.

CM: Let's not mention any of the Australian rock-spiders.

Yep & we send them to Jail. The Australian "Western" population doesn't think they are being Persecuted or Oppressed. There-in lies they difference or is that a bit hard for you to understand without deflecting the point.

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On Loudmouth’s post (7 March 3:49 PM) addressed to Jayb

Loudmouth, during his ‘rare fits of decency’ complains about
<<not communicating effectively on this thread because SOME OF US ARE USING DIFFERENT RULES or conventions about how to communicate>> (his earlier post)

On DIFFERENT RULES: he likes to ask questions, but avoids/refuses answers to my questions – my posts are full of evidence. Do you need to be reminded Loudmouth? There is about a week old question you have NOT UNASWERED yet(NC post 2 March 8:04 PM)

Now he has thrown another one about marrying the underage. The law of the land must deal with any deviation from it, beyond any doubt.

This is not the issue. The issue is his tendency to tie the acts of the deranged with the teachings of Islam. He has tried it so many times that it is hard to see him part with this sick tendency.

In picking up acts of the deranged he would skip the likes of:

• Elisabeth Fritzl (born 6 April 1966), who told police in the town of Amstetten, Austria, that she had been held captive for 24 years in a concealed corridor part of the basement area of the large family house by her father, Josef Fritzl (born 9 April 1935), and that Fritzl had physically assaulted, sexually abused, and raped her numerous times during her imprisonment. The abuse by her father resulted in the birth of seven children and one miscarriage;

• Peter Scully (Melbournian) the operator of a global paedophile ring who has been arrested for inflicting sexual terror on girls as young as 1.

• A British father who raped his two daughters repeatedly for more than 25 years and had nine children by them has been sentenced to life in jail;

• A daughter who was 14 when father first kissed and sexually touched her, began having sex regularly and first son was born in 2002, and the father jailed for four years after admitting 16-year incestuous relationship.