Sick TENDENCIES and awkward INHIBITIONS 2 of 2

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of disturbed minds in all societies who commit unspeakable crimes on humanity. But there crimes cannot be and must NOT be extended to the belief systems they follow or societies they live in.

Criag Minns (8 March 8:50 AM) points to the same fact.

But the Loudmouths love to make this exception for criminals belonging to Muslim background.

This is a SICK TENDENCY rightly addressed by the article under discussion and rightly resisted by the sane minds.

I see McAdam (7 March 11:01 PM) say << There is no silence, as there is no need for it … I am willing to respond to any question…>>

While I appreciate McAdam’s patience, I regard a communication to be meaningful only as long as stays sensible.

Loudmouth MUST answer my questions when I answer his. Every time he addresses me (given his past conduct, he most likely will), I will remind him of his awkward inhibition of refusing to answer and expecting an answer. He MUST overcome his awkward inhibition for a meaningful exchange that I am all willing to undertake.

Loudmouth MUST NOT USE (in his own words) <<DIFFERENT RULES or conventions about how to communicate>>

Jayb is light years out of sync with anything remotely rational, as observed from his wilful distortions of Quran (NC post 2 March 7:40 PM).

Therefore, pursuing an interaction with some chance of meaningful exchange ONLY, I will do as I said before about Jayb:

<<…I will totally IGNORE anything you write on this or any other thread whosoever it is addressed to.>>

This, from me, is the ONLY appropriate response to Jayb’s posts.

NC,

Your irrelevant question back then ? About the US invasion of Iraq ? Yes, I marched against it, here in Adelaide- the biggest demo I'd been on for thirty years. Fantastic !

Was that it ? Your 'question' ?

But I support your principle against child marriage: 'The law of the land must deal with any deviation from it, beyond any doubt.' Thank you. Are you agreeing that, if there is any support for it in the Koran, it must be opposed ? That, if necessary, the Koran must be questioned and reformed ?

You cite some cases of vile treatment of children. I suspect that a recent case of murder-suicide near Toowoomba may have involved similarly vile practices. Perhaps you could extend your quite correct condemnations to the recent revelations of hundreds of children abused by a Pakistani paedophile ring in England ?

Yes, abuse of children, including child 'marriages', must be severely punished wherever they occur, as you say. But I don't think, and I've never said, that the perpetrators are 'deranged', I think they are usually perfectly sane, utter b@stards, but sane.

And I'm sure that you, like me, would oppose child 'marriages' whenever and wherever they occur, even if someone could find spurious 'support' for them in the Koran.

'Awkward inhibitions' ? Perhaps, I'm a very shy person, but I'll do my best to overcome that :) Fire away. Don't ignore something just because it is inconvenient.

Joe

Let's leave out one protected fish, where is the trial, there will not be one, HRH accused of underage sex for fun, protected and protected in all things they do, if it is ok for him, then it is ok for everyone else.

ojnaB : HRH accused of underage sex for fun, protected and protected in all things they do,

I’ll deal with this first before getting on to NC.

Of course they protect Royalty. They have protected the ME Princes from rape charges in Washington, London & Wellington recently too, & they were straignt out Rapes. But this is a Diversion & Deflection as is the usual moslem tatic (101). Used when getting too close to the truth & the person (usually moslem) doesn’t want to answer the question directly.

Now to NC. I can see why you don’t want to entertain my Questions. Just because Loudmouth didn’t answer one of yours some time ago is no reason not to answer mine. We are different people, you know.

NC: as observed from his wilful distortions of Quran (NC post 2 March 7:40 PM).

Now as far as interpretations go. I have tried my best to understand the Verses, as written. Are you saying that they don’t really mean what they say? What I have asked you to do is to answer “Yes” or “No.”

If “No” then explain to me where my interpretation of that particular verse is wrong, without quoting another verse from somewhere else.

Pulling a sulky because you don’t like a question is noway to have a conversation & frankly rather juvenile.

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Loudmouth,
"So the question remains: do you or don't you support child, i.e. under-age, marriages ? Yes ? No ?"

You assume that there are two opinions on this point?

Have you heard of "Girls Not Brides statement on UN General Assembly resolution on child, early and forced marriage"?
This statement was co- sponsored by a number of countries including; Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Argentina, Benin, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cabo Verde,Central African Republic, Dominican Republic,Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea,Germany, Ghana, Guinea, Kyrgyzstan,Lebanon, Liberia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali,Morocco, Somalia, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan and Zambia.

There is universal consensus against child marriages, which is banned in most countries including Muslim countries. Can you quote the countries, that still consider it legal?
Do you see how outdated and removed from reality is your knowledge on the subject?

Then you imply that child marriage menace is exclusively Muslim problem. Please have a look at the following reality:-

1. According to UNICEF's "State of the World's Children-2009" report, 47% of India's women aged 20–24 were married before the legal age of 18, with 56% marrying before age 18 in rural areas. The report also showed that 40% of the world's child marriages occur in India.

2. Child marriage is common in Latin America and the Caribbean island nations. About 29% of girls are married before age 18.The child marriage varies between the countries, with Dominican Republic, Honduras, Brazil, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Haiti and Ecuador reporting some of the highest rates in the Americas.

3. According to UNICEF, Africa has the highest incidence rates of child marriage, with over 70% of girls marrying under the age of 18.

4. The countries with the highest observed rates of child marriages below the age of 18 are Niger, Chad, Mali, Bangladesh, Guinea and the Central African Republic, with a rate above 60%. Niger, Chad, Bangladesh, Mali and Ethiopia were the countries with child marriage rates greater than 20% below the age of 15, according to 2003-2009 surveys.

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5. Child marriage, as defined by UNICEF, includes cohabitation. According to a 2010 report by National Center for Health Statistics, an agency of the government of United States, 2.1% of all girls in the 15-17 age group were in a child marriage.

Do you see that the child marriage is a world wide problem. A world wide campaign is already on against it, yet a concerted and sustained effort, is required to completely eradicate the old and world wide problem.

Do you see, how inadequate is, your knowledge and how one eyed is your approach on the subject ?

Then you say
" Are you agreeing that, if there is any support for it in the Koran, it must be opposed ? That, if necessary, the Koran must be questioned and reformed ?"

You keep insisting that you are an atheist. If you are, then how come you pick on the Quran only? Is it honesty?
Should you not be saying instead, that the scriptures that support child marriage should be questioned and reformed? That is, if you are honest.

Now assuming that you stand for acting against any scripture that advocates child marriage, please quote me from Quran, where child marriage is mandated, encouraged or even allowed. That is, if you are sane.

I am conscientious that I have used a harsh word but please tell me, is not insane to level an allegation, without having one's fact straight first?

OK, let us take the discussion to the logical conclusion. Tell me, will you lead the campaign with equal zeal against Christians and Jews if the child marriage is found to be sanctioned in Bible and Torah? That is, if you are honest?

Lastly, do you see how your mind has been messed up by the propagandists who aim to keep focussed the mad bull of your hatred on the red rag of "Islam"? That is if you are rational.

I have answered your question because I promised to do so, glossing over the fact, that I find it totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion.

Concluded.