Hi SPQR,

But it's interesting that, for comparisons to Islamist terrorists, Nathan has to go to the depths of Martin Bryant.

As an ex-Maoist myself (well, up to thirty years ago), I can vaguely understand the somersaults that some on the Left have to go to, to somehow assert that Islamist terrorists are really nowhere near as bad as Americans. The US is the all-evil.

But the religion demands unquestioning allegiance to the theory - if something is going wrong, (and we can go back to the 1848 'revolutions' and the 1871 Paris Commune for 'things going wrong'), then there's something wrong with reality. Reality is therefore evil. Hence Arjay.

Been there, done that :(

Joe

Loudmouth,

What was done by Martin Bryant (and I'm assume you are denying his actions?) - I was not linking him to Christianity, simply his background - and many in Australia are Anglo Saxon, but they don't kill others.

"I think you are asserting something here: and if you assert, then you must demonstrate: 'asseritur gratis, negatur gratis'. Do you have evidence of this? If not, you can be ignored." It's not about asserting, its questioning. Too many people have beliefs (including myself), that are not necessarily based on fact - and that is why is a belief, is just that, a belief - and can have no basis to it.

Unfortunately, there was no "book" about Martin Bryant, so to know what he may or may not have done - was impossible to assess, make generalising comments about and there was no book to quote from - but there are plenty of religious books to read out there.

So religion is very easily targeted (this includes Christianity) and everyone else out there is "wonderful" and "innocent" aren't they?

In terms of terrorism and other violence, it's been operating for a long time - outside of the western world - but gets more media coverage when a western world city is targeted. On this basis, to single out one religion - Muslim or not - is plainly stupid, in the context that there will be inadequate assessment of other violent or terrorist activity in society that can affect people (and lead to more terrorism and violence) - essentially a flow on effect.

I could kill someone tomorrow - who knows? We needs facts - and I have preferred to hear from experts in the field of terrorism, since the Paris and Sydney incidents - not science fiction writers or children's authors.

P.S In terms of "rubbish", your bin is no doubt filled with it, that's why you feel you have a plethora of information to use. My bin is generally very empty, because I recycle and keep my rubbish to a minimum.

Craig Minns,
Terrorism has never been the main issue for Nationalists like me, I mean seriously, Jihadis are no threat to normal White people,you'd be more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist.
Put it this way, the Christian Lebanese are just as violent, racist and inclined toward criminal behaviour as their Muslim counterparts, the issue isn't religion it's the Lebanese diaspora as a whole.
What we have to deal with on a day to day basis are the gangs of Afghans, Somalis, Lebanese and Turks, the drug dealers, the groups who roam the CBD and suburbs twenty strong bashing drunk "White Dogs", molesting girls and crashing parties.
The videos I posted earlier show, however that these hooligans are accessible to radical elements, that they will assemble and fight on behalf of the Imams and "community leaders". So as we saw in Sydney a few years back you have a mob of street thugs confronting the Police just because they love a bit of biffo and the Imams and radicals standing behind them spruiking their Islamist message.
It's no different to eastern European "Ultra" football hooligans who will sometimes do the bidding of political ward heelers or gangsters, their main loyalty is to their gang and their FC but they will riot or cause mayhem at the behest of "community leaders"
So the "Muslim problem" in air quotes is a euphemism for a raft of severe social problems stemming from the basic incompatibility of occidental and oriental mindsets and from a Nationalist point of view these mindsets are biological in origin and racial in their expression.

Poirot,
That New Statesman link was a powerful piece, yeah for sure we know that the Left could confront the racist, violent elements within immigrant communities for the benefit of all, but we all know that they won't, especially in Europe.
This is a short video but the speaker is a level headed guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJipE80_s2I
He's right, nothing will change, Martin place changed nothing in Australia, it's already just another forgotten tragedy.

Nathan,

You brought up Martin Bryant as a sort of comparison to Islamist terrorists. Why I don't know, although it's very telling. If he escaped and got to Syria, I suspect that IS would tell him to piss off -- only thirty five ? What a wuss.

So what if he was Anglo-Saxon ? Did he blast away at those defenseless people, shouting 'Fur Gott und Heimat' or something more archaic.

I don't think he was particularly Christian - perhaps he shot those 35 people shouting 'God is great !' waving a Presbyterian flag or Jehovah's Witness pamphlet. If so, then you would have your evidence. If not, then it might be more sensible or you to keep mum.

As for your attempt to absolve such a vile aspect of religion, (an interesting out for a Leftist), how many people have been killed in just the last few days - in Nigeria, Pakistan, Iraq, Paris, god knows where else - with 'Allahu Akbar !' the last thing they heard ?

Presumably you think you are on the Left. How on earth do your square a reactionary perversion of a frankly backward religion with your political position - if you have only one, that is ?

Are you so politically naïve as to think there is only one way to be anti-American, i.e. from the Left ? Has it occurred to you that the US can be attacked from the extreme Right as well ? No, nobody could be that naïve as to think there is only either/or.

Okay, maybe some people, out at Oodnagalarby maybe, and religious people, of course: Manichaeism is religion's bread and butter.

Can you get the internet out at Oodnagalarby ?

Joe

Loudmouth,

Is it fair to sterotype based on religion or on an individual because of the actions of another? In my view no. It's judging a book by its cover. It's also for me not about left or right wing. I don't care, I've getting better things to do with my time. In terms of this topic:

On May 31, 2009, a Mr George Tiller, a physician from Wichita, Kansas, one of the few doctors in the United States to perform late-term abortions, was murdered by a Mr Scott Roeder. Mr Tiller was killed during a Sunday morning Lutheran church service, where he was serving as an usher." Mr Roeder however belonged to a group called the "Sovereign Citizen Movement", had an attachment to extreme causes like anti-abortion, anti-government extremism and eventually took on violence and murder.

According to the (US) National Consortium For The Study Of Terrorism And Responses To Terrorism (START) - (University of Maryland), with projects funded by the U.S Government July 30 2014:

"Sovereign citizen, Islamist extremist and militia/patriot groups are perceived by law enforcement agencies to pose the greatest threats to their communities."

"The Sovereign Citizen movement was the most highly ranked threat, with 86 percent of respondents agreeing or strongly agreeing that it was a serious terrorist threat. This is a significant increase in ranking from an earlier survey implemented in 2006-2007, which showed Islamist extremists to be law enforcement’s top concern at the time."

“Identifying and prioritizing a threat is akin to hitting a moving target and evolves as new intelligence, data, and events develop,” according to Mr David Carter (from STARS).

“Law enforcement must be steadfast in identifying major concerns, substantiating the concerns, providing products and resources to better understand the nature of the threat, and supporting efforts to respond to such concerns.”

http://www.start.umd.edu/news/sovereign-citizen-movement-perceived-top-terrorist-threat

So research and hard work is vital. Simplistic quotes from religious books and targeting people of religions who have never done anything legally wrong (like my Grandma, who was Lutheran) and died two years ago will achieve nothing.

Craig,
Recently I put up a thread seeking suggestions as to what we can do to prevent more terrorist incidents in Aus. Did not get many practical suggestions.

My contention is that we stop further muslim entry of immigrants and refugees, thus limiting the risk to those that are already here. Bazz suggested that we bury any terrorist with a pig, which is a low cost proposal and has merit.

The Government and Opposition are both obviously clueless.

I am interested in your suggestion and please be practical and bear in mind that the authorities are most concerned about the muslims born here and are citizens by birth, so cannot be deported.