Lego,

The "Sovereign Citizen Movement", had an attachment to extreme causes like anti-abortion, anti-government extremism and (the person I referred to) eventually took on violence and murder.

The (US) National Consortium For The Study Of Terrorism And Responses To Terrorism (START) - (University of Maryland), with projects funded by the U.S Government July 30 2014:

"Sovereign citizen, Islamist extremist and militia/patriot groups are perceived by law enforcement agencies to pose the greatest threats to their communities." So why would I put that down, because I agree with these listed extremist groups? Get serious - and the information was not something I made up, it came from the University.

There are a range of extremist groups in society (and to simplistically connect Islam - to other extremist groups - is simplistic = no thought required).

I'm assuming you know don't the name of the other group that has been mentioned (by our Prime Minister) - and no it is not called Islam. We can't afford to fail to recognise that other extremist groups exist or will potentially develop and (yet again) = no thought required. So I could argue you are defending other extremist groups that are undertaking activities now, or do not exist at present if you only target one group. I don't want extremist groups.

The (US) page link: http://www.start.umd.edu/news/sovereign-citizen-movement-perceived-top-terrorist-threat says:

"Assessments about whether most groups were a serious terrorist threat actually declined (e.g., the KKK; Christian Identity; Neo-Nazis; Racist Skinheads; Environmental Extremists; Animal Rights Extremists) when compared to a previous study have declined". Regardless, I don't like these groups behaviors.

Finally your comment that "That human beings are all equally good or bad. (re left)" is utter nonsense. My parents have friends (who were Anglo-Saxon and shot by government militiamen in Zimbabwe under Robert Magabe. The women affected picked up her intestines off the ground and when at hospital, was told by her doctor, she should be dead - and lucky do be alive.

I will not defend that type of behavior - and I will defend, good quality, well researched and balanced information.

NathanJ

Interesting. What is a 'sovereign citizen'? The article doesn't say.

And is the government counted as a terrorist threat, and if not, why not?

Hi Banjo, it is a vexed question, isn't it? I think we can do better than turning away from the problem. We have an obligation to keep trying until we succeed. Not only for the sake of the poor buggers who need all the help they can get, but for the sake of our own human dignity.

This is not the first time Australia has been in the path of the products of social upheaval. Back in 1788 about 1000 of them arrived in chains; thieves, rapists, fraudsters under the threat of whips and the rope. That's only 10 or so generations ago and apart from a couple of brief pauses the flow of people has never stopped. For many Australia offered a fresh start, including the convicts, who were given the chance to establish lives as free settlers after having done their time. Some of the arrivals caused disruption and committed violence, but the majority did not.

It seems to me that the main difference in today's world is that it is nearly impossible for people to escape their history, whatever their future intent, because it is constantly rubbed in their face by others who can hide in a coward's castle of anonymity while doing so. People like the brave 'bazz' and that paragon of manly courage 'LEGO', or the snidely insinuative 'Is Mise' once had to limit themselves to boring their long-suffering wives or, like such misfits have always done, drift into some minor group of the feeble-minded and regale each other with anecdotes of their brave exploits:

"One of those ISIS types tried it on today, but I showed her who's in charge. 'Excuse me!' I said, very firmly, 'This counter is for dog licenses. New vehicles are next door.' She had the cheek to try to smile at me, but I looked her straight in the eye and said 'Move along please, there are people waiting to be served.' Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile." <Sage nods all round, with furtive glances at watches; 'She who must be obeyed' won't tolerate lateness>

In today's world the pissant whining of the perennially frustrated is broadcast ad nauseaum and amplified into a "message" by media and political strategists who can't think beyond their own noses.

What is the solution? Do our utmost to show our 'New Australians' the best of what it means to be Australian, which includes being able to put up with the ill-mannered mongrels down the road constantly yapping at shadows without grabbing the .410 and giving them something to yap about.

Trust is something that has to be carefully and mindfully nurtured and it's a two-way process. If we want people to trust us, we have to offer our trust to them, even if we think there may be some who'll betray that trust.

There will always be lunatics, criminals, whining dogs.

But the vast majority of people are sane and most dogs aren't whiny.

Craig Minns,

There is only one way to get rid of the Muslim problem in any society, get rid of the Muslims.

They are never going to fit into Australian society until they change that society to suit themselves and it becomes a Muslim society.

There is a short list of countries where they are not a problem and a long list of where they are.

Well done NathanJ.
You've demonstrated that in 2014 the U.S.A with it's insignificant Muslim population had no problem with Islamic terrorism, in fact it has no problem with terrorism at all if you consider that the Sovereign Citizen movement is completely non violent.
These "studies" are just another politically correct scare campaign, so they surveyed Police officers, big deal, did you know that Jewish extremist and "Anti Racist", anti White groups like the ADL and SPLC train and consult with law enforcement over there?
http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism/law-enforcement/law-enforcement-training
No you didn't know that,did you? So the officers interviewed would most likely have just been referring to what they'd been told in their diversity training course by their left wing Jewish "facilitator".