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New fascism reflected in Charlie Hebdo Paris shootings : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 8/1/2015

We must stare down this new form of fascism with the same clear thinking and bold resolve our forebears demonstrated in their battles with twentieth century varieties.

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Aidan An excellent exposition of what I have been talking about. Far better expressed than I can do

http://bonnerandpartners.com/important-story-finance-gold-standard/
Posted by Dickybird, Sunday, 11 January 2015 12:52:06 PM
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Interesting Dicky.
I suspect they went off the gold standard because they saw peak gold
looming over the horizon.
If the amount of gold that could be produced became limited or very
expensive to mine, the price would rise giving a free ride to those
holding the most gold, at the expense of those holding the least.
The value of the gold was unable to keep up with the increasing GDP.

To fix the value of money to something that has no relationship to
anything but the cost of mining gold seems odd.
They may also have been worrying like the Germans are at present about
their stockpile in Fort Knox in the US. Is it really there or has the
US sold it to someone else. The US refused German auditors access.
Hmmm.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 11 January 2015 2:34:45 PM
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Arjay,

"Jay I think is was staged because there was no bullet imprint on the pavement where smoke left the barrel of the gun. Secondly there was no gun recoil and AK47 has enormous amo. The bullets had to be blanks."

The video is not clear enough to tell if a bullet hit the pavement or not and not everyone shot in the head bleeds copiously especially if low power ammo is being used and as I explained the gunmen could have been using reduced loads to minimize danger to themselves when firing inside buildings.

The AK47 DOES NOT have 'enormous ammo', the round is the medium powered 7.62 x 39 mm round which is on the puny side of 'medium'.

If it was all a grand conspiracy how did the Government convince the two brothers to play their part?
Their mate at the kosher store must have been in it also if the Government convinced him to murder four people then get himself shot dead.

As conspiracy theories go this one is a non-starter.

Some common military rounds in 7.62 (give or take a fraction of a millimetre)
.30/06 US....2,910 feet/second muzzle velocity..2,820 ft/lbs energy.
7.62 mm NATO.2,733 f/sec and 2,437 ft/lbs
.303 British.2,500 f/sec and 2,408 ft/lbs

The US and British rounds are over 100 years old.

7.62 x 39mm..2,396 f/sec and 1,555 ft/lbs has 1,265 ft/lbs less energy than the 30/06 and 863 less than the venerable .303.
Its factor of "enormty" is low.

By comparison another centenarian, the .375 Holland and Holland has a muzzle velocity of 3,195 ft/sec and a muzzle energy of 4,534 ft/lbs.

The heaviest sniping round is the .50 BMG with 3,044 f/sec and 13,310 ft/lbs [14,895 in the heaviest loading].
The .50 BMG is enormous. (both ends, I haven't fired one and I have no desire so to do).
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 11 January 2015 4:01:15 PM
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Lego - A construction toy, consisting of interlocking plastic building blocks - so why do:

"We" in the west have a tradition of freedom of speech, that includes criticising and satirising authority figures, religions, and cultures - and the liberal Left, are willing to throw out the whole principle (of freedom of speech) to protect the greater good of multiculturalism.

I don't even know what culture you are, or any cultural beliefs you have. You could be from the plastic, but magnificent world of Legoland or you could be a grand, lead star in the Lego movie of 2014.

"Christians did not react violently to the movie (you referred to) because their religion forbids it." I would argue you did not see the violence (or all, or any of the violence). After all, we can't see every element of a person's, families or communities life.

One only has to look at violence and inappropriate behavior and YES it has occurred within many mainstream religions, families, religious cults, and communities (over many periods) - including Christianity and many other religions. People need to face up to this fact, that many elements of our society have had violence in them - religion or not.

Just because a few horrid extremists undertake activities - certain groups of people should not be held to blame for these people's actions. If we took that logic I could blame all Anglo Saxon people for the extremist actions of Martin Bryant. Why not? Simply, there is no religious book to quote from - and to read an individual persons "mind" is difficult, because unless you are a physic or clairvoyant - people won't be getting very far in 'predicting' the future.
Posted by NathanJ, Sunday, 11 January 2015 4:57:36 PM
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Hi Nathan,

So, Martin Bryant was acting in the name of Anglo-Saxonism, or Christianity ? I didn't know that ! You learn something every day. Well, some of us do.

You suggest,

""Christians did not react violently to the movie (you referred to) because their religion forbids it." I would argue you did not see the violence (or all, or any of the violence). After all, we can't see every element of a person's, families or communities life."

I think you are asserting something here: and if you assert, then you must demonstrate: 'asseritur gratis, negatur gratis'. Do you have evidence of this ? If not, you can be ignored.

"a few horrid extremists" ? Terrorists, actually. Tens of thousands of outrages since the early nineties ? Perhaps you're right - compared to the number of grains of sand on a beach, that's not too many :) And it probably works out to barely a few million people. Terrorists in particular, and fascists generally, are just people like us, aren't they ? Hitler loved his dogs. Let's give them a break !

And you're right - how do we know what's in people's 'minds' ? So misunderstood !

Keep digging into that wheelie-bin of excuses, you're nearly scraping the bottom :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 11 January 2015 5:15:43 PM
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Yeah Joe i am with you,

NathanJs post was a pretty poor effort. Only blind Joe or a blind lefty apologist could possibly believe that acts of violence committed by believers in the religion of peace were on a par with acts of violence by other groups.
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 11 January 2015 5:46:09 PM
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