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New fascism reflected in Charlie Hebdo Paris shootings : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 8/1/2015

We must stare down this new form of fascism with the same clear thinking and bold resolve our forebears demonstrated in their battles with twentieth century varieties.

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The murders were a barbarous assault on freedom. However, to term them fascism is a misuse of the word. Fascism involves a form of government with a dictator, an extreme nationalist ideology, excessive militarism, one party government, military pomp and many other items that were not exemplified in the Paris shootings. The shootings apparently were an expression of the fanaticism and intolerance that exists in Islam and all of the other major world religions. Let us label it for what it is rather than inappropriately name it fascism.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 8 January 2015 9:44:03 AM
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This kind of repression for freedom of expression should and will never be tolerated. I don't know what these lunatics who committed these crimes hope to achieve by carrying out this vile despicable act, it should fuel even more satirical comical expression for this type of comical art. It doesn't matter what religion you believe in or not believe in, this magazine makes fun of it all!
There are people all over this world who make fun of Jesus Christ and Christianity for example, but we don't hear of devotees of the christian faith going out and killing people who make fun of JC and Christianity. It is no ones place to be the final judge of this type of human behavior in regards to freedom of expression. It is up to God and God only to be the final judge of it all...

However, a symptom of living in the 21st century is going to be tolerance.. a rare word indeed in this age of religious confusion and disorientation.

These criminals have taken upon themselves to be judge, jury and executioner of those who are perceived to be making fun of Mohammed and the Islamic faith. What a hopeless cause they have set for themselves.. doomed to failure imo.
Posted by Rojama, Thursday, 8 January 2015 9:59:59 AM
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The term fascism in relation to terrorism is unhelpful even counter-productive.

The term "Islamo-Fascism" proved evocative to a small group of Jewish Neocons, from the US, immediate post 9/11, but fortunately has declined as a label.

Fascism very much applied/applies to centralised, states and militarism. Germany, Japan and Italy in WWII, perhaps Putin's Russia now.

Highly fragmented Islamic terrorism is not centralised, not hierchical and not establish-state based.

At a stretch Saudi Arabia's Hierarchical Royal Family and Aristocracy, many of whom fund terrorism - is the closest thing to fascist. But of course Saudi Arabia has never been associated with terrorism - isn't that right? Even after 9/11 which was mainly organised by Saudis (eg bin Laden) and manned by Saudis.
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 8 January 2015 10:14:58 AM
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“Prominent Muslim leaders also decried and disowned the violence.” But this is not enough. Islam has to start admitting that many of their basic attitudes are totally unacceptable to the vast majority of human beings. Examples are the Muslim attitude to women, to the infallibility of Mohammed and the Koran, to the promotion of the idea that all non-Muslems are irrelevant or worse, to the assumed right that a fatwa can be issued to threaten anyone who offends them, the Halal tax on everyone and even more their attitude to individuals and free speech.

Prominent Moslems have to deal with these problems or very sadly the rest of the world will have to admit that we have to abandon our attitude of tolerance and acceptance of all or any peculiar beliefs as long as they do not interfere with our way of life. Unfortunately Muslim are not respectful of life and are beginning to interfere with normal life and it is doubtful if their behaviour can be written off and excused much longer by the explanation that these individuals are deranged and should be in a mental hospital. If Muslim leaders do not deal with these problems themselves by bringing the 6th century religion up to the 21st, then someone will have to do it for them. How much can the considerate world take before barbarity is met with substantial resistance. It is not fascism or even repression. It is security of life itself. Without meaningful Muslim leadership intervention there will be obvious nutcake response and then Muslims will cry victimisation

The remark is so nearly right when it travels round the ether “All Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists seem to be Muslims” .
Posted by Dickybird, Thursday, 8 January 2015 10:15:21 AM
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“Prominent Muslim leaders also decried and disowned the violence.” But this is not enough. Islam has to start admitting that many of their basic attitudes are totally unacceptable to the vast majority of human beings. Examples are the Muslim attitude to women, to the infallibility of Mohammed and the Koran, to the promotion of the idea that all non-Muslims are irrelevant or worse, to the assumed right that a fatwa can be issued to threaten anyone who offends them, the Halal tax on everyone and even more their attitude to individuals and free speech.

Prominent Muslims have to deal with these problems or very sadly the rest of the world will have to admit that we have to abandon our attitude of tolerance and acceptance of all or any peculiar beliefs as long as they do not interfere with our way of life. Unfortunately Muslims are not respectful of life and are beginning to interfere with normal life and it is doubtful if their behaviour can be written off and excused much longer by the explanation that these individuals are deranged and should be in a mental hospital. If Muslim leaders do not deal with these problems themselves by bringing the 6th century religion up to the 21st, then someone will have to do it for them. How much can the considerate world take before barbarity is met with substantial resistance. It is not fascism or even repression. It is security of life itself. Without meaningful Muslim leadership intervention there will be obvious nutcake response and then Muslims will cry victimisation.

The remark is so nearly right when it travels round the ether “All Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists seem to be Muslims” .
Posted by Dickybird, Thursday, 8 January 2015 10:19:24 AM
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Quotte: we must resist the temptation to respond to this threat with abject fear, which leads to a loss of perspective; or hatred...

We must respond to these vile events with HONESTY. We must be able to express the simple fact that Islam itself is the cause of most of the problems of the Muslim world, including the immigrants that leave chaotic Islamic countries and then bring their hate and violence with them.

The fact is that our leaders are part of the problem. Instead of "clear thinking and bold resolve", they are drunk with the wine of multiculturalism, putting political correctness above the interests of the people. The West will pay dearly for this foolishness
Posted by kactuz, Thursday, 8 January 2015 10:21:36 AM
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