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By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?
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Posted by ant, Thursday, 26 June 2014 11:29:58 AM
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Dear SPQR,
You wrote; “Betya you get it today! It's brass monkeys cold in Sydney this morning.” Nope. In Melbourne it was 16C nearly 2 degrees above average. But I will admit to missing a 12.3C on the 19th so the has been 1 day at or below the mean. The stats up your way have been pretty impressive too. “Sydney Observatory Hill had its warmest May on record in 2014, with mean maximum temperatures of 23.2 °C, 3.8 °C above the historical average and 0.5 °C above the previous record, set in 2007.” Other notable figures include; 19 consecutive days above 22 °C, more than double the previous May record of 9 days (1978, 2007) Four consecutive days above 25 °C on the 22nd-25th, a late-season record Only one day below 20 °C, the fewest on record for May (previous record 4 days in 2013) As to annual mean maximums of the 6 occasions it has reach 23 degrees or over 5 have occurred since 2001. This year is the fourth warmest start to the year ever recorded after 2006, 2004, and 1998. There is a positive though. While last month you only had 1 day at or below the monthly average max temperature this month there have been three. Thank God! It seems we have a cooling planet and there is nothing to worry about. Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 26 June 2014 12:35:39 PM
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Dear Steeleredux,
<<Thank God! It seems we have a cooling planet and there is nothing to worry about>> Ah ha! and there's the rub. Even if someone was able to do a cherry pick similar to yours and come up with a group of colder/coldest results it would still seen as evidence of AGW. Because, AGW theology maintains that it will both get hotter and colder --and wetter and dryier It's hard to prevail in those heads we win and tails you lose games. Which makes me wonder why Ant's physicist friend was sooooo measly and timid with his bet. What is the IPCC's level of certainiy again 97...98%? I mean, if you had that level of certainty that red 13 would come up trumps next spin of the wheel at the casino wouldnt you bet your house and car on it? Posted by SPQR, Friday, 27 June 2014 7:36:57 AM
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We should all be very grateful that Al Gore has come to Australia to “endorse” the abolition of our CAGW response.
We have now joined the rest of the world in rejecting both the “science” and the politics of CAGW. There are still many true believers who are left with nothing left to talk about except the self indoctrinated “science” they hungrily swallowed. The “science” was the basis for policy, the “science” failed so the policy failed. Now the warmers are left with nothing to debate except more of their failed “science”? On and on and on and on! Curious isn’t it? Posted by spindoc, Friday, 27 June 2014 8:25:13 AM
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SDQR, what is your explanation for the volume of ice in the Arctic region, where volume has been decreasing over decades? What would be causing the melt, SDQR?
A quote from the Chief Scientist Julia Slingo (April 2013) of the UK Met Office: "The Arctic is intimately linked with the North Atlantic and we know there are links, for example, in the ocean temperatures that run down the west coast of Greenland. They are very warm at the moment. Exceptionally warm!" http://econnexus.org/nasa-chasing-calving-ice-in-western-greenland/ A few times I have written about thermokarst lakes and thermokarst failure but there has been no comment debunking this phenomena. There are no arguments about permafrost melt; it is happening. Climate change deniers argue against how temperature is measured; with permafrost melt it is an illustration of temperatures going up. Posted by ant, Friday, 27 June 2014 12:16:29 PM
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Hi Ant,
<<SDQR >> twice you spelt my name wrong. Does that count as abuse? Unlike most believers in AGW I don’t pretend to know all the answers. But I can pick a dud sales pitch when I see one…and both you and citizen Steele have been giving us some mightily dubious pitches. And the fact that you both seem to hail from the extreme left in politics makes me very suspicious of any product you are eager to sell us on –particularly Steele, he tried to sell some read duds in the past --luckily my quality control team pick-up on it before we bought the goods. Posted by SPQR, Friday, 27 June 2014 1:27:25 PM
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Something that has amused me is that Watts had become involved in a debate about the extent/volume of ice in the Arctic region.
The extent of ice in 2013 was greater than in 2012, Watts argued that it proved that warming is not happening. The but is, that the ice is becoming thinner and the volume of ice is continually decreasing. There are several buoys measuring temperature above and below ice, depth of snow and ice; which equals objective data Watts argues against.