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Conservatism and climate science : Comments
By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?
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Posted by ant, Friday, 27 June 2014 2:45:39 PM
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Dear Spindoc and SPQR,
You two are pretty fascinating types. Both of you made much of the Russian ship with the climate scientists stuck in the ice near Antarctica touting it as proof the planet wasn't warming. Yet we don't have extensive and substantial records of the sea ice extent in that part of the world. We do however have well over 100 years of complete daily temperature readings for both of the capital cities I mentioned. Pointing out a record May in Sydney is not 'cherry picking' but a rigid on the ground statistic that fits with the accepted view that the warming of the planet would appear to be impacting on temperatures in Australia just as they are in most of the land based world today. By itself it is nothing but along with other high results in the 95th percentile range, mostly occurring in the last 20 years, it is in line with climate change predictions. I am really quite curious about whether either of you at any stage pause and think 'I may well have got this wrong'? Or are you that tied up with the politics of the issue that to do so would cause irreparable damage? Is constantly referring to this as left/right issue a denial mechanism for you both? What data set would it take for either of you to accept AGW as a fact? Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 27 June 2014 4:20:24 PM
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Steele,
<<You … Both of you made much of the Russian ship with the climate scientists stuck in the ice near Antarctica >> Bruhahahaahahaahahahaaaaaaaaahhahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahhaahaha. Stop it Steele –stop it, don’t remind me of that –it was sooooo funny. I am seriously thinking of writing it up and selling the rights to Monty Python. And I didn't present it as evidence that AGW was false –it was a classic catch yourself out situation. We had all these "experts” making pronouncements about the ice being slush and receding-- and next minute it is “Help! we are stuck in an ice foe”. Actually it might be a better skit for The Goons I could see Neddie Seagoon clutching the mast with one hand half way up, and the other holding binoculars yelling to Eccles and Minnie below that there are no rescue ships in sight yet (and Little Jim yelling someone’s fallen into the water--or maybe Little Jim could replace it with "we're stuck in the ice") Ant, Apologies. I will check your links and come back to you--blame Steele for distracting me Posted by SPQR, Friday, 27 June 2014 6:05:34 PM
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i have BEEN TACKING DOWN AN ants thought's
he SAYS THE SKY IS MELTING..MAYBE FROM THIS PLACE..the[ANT*Arc/trick] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakshin_Gangotri ANYHOW/IF its in the artic/we know the ice freezes there even in summer so I THOUGHT MAYBE HE IS YAPPING ABOUT SOME TO=IBET/indian 'GLACIER'/MELTING/AND RECALLED THE HEAT EMITED FROM GRANIT SO GOOGLED http://www.google.com.au/search?q=the+Gangotri+glacier%2C+HEATSOURCE+THERMAL&i SO ANT BRAIN IF YOUR frightend glacier is in India/melting IT MIGHT HAVE A LOT TO do with thermal release/funny enough we lIVE ON A SOLID MOLTEN IRON CORE/its a wonder anything freezes/LET ALONE MELTS BUT YOU greenie taxation FREAK/$$ GOT NO IDEA/SPACE IF A DEEP FREEZE/HEAT Can escape into space then cold air sinks/then the ant brain babbles on ignoring other links AND SAYS WE GOT FLOODS/GEE WE CLEar fell forrsts/and wONDER WHEN ALL THE WATER rushes down stream/yOU FIX FLOODS BY SLOWIng down the waer flow..NOT TAXING PEOPLE WITh sneaky taxes. its a waste OF TIME TALking to you.lot you ignore links/refutting your lies/and prattle on REGARDLESS/WITH THE CCC RAP/its how ol all gore teaches you'ignore thE SCIENCE/GO THE GUILT TAX..Mate you/lot..have id's..and those payed to troll/like you too/will rue the days you told lie after lie after lie i just saw how THE/COUNCIL FOLLOWING 'guidlines'/is draining every water body/so of course when the rain comes we dont get puddles/YOU LOT DOWN streaM get floods..WELL DUH.. ITS SO YOu got some bulldust/to say look we didnt all lie yet we know you do/and scream TAX US THE WORLD IS WARNING/COOLING [WHO THE HELL YOU FO0LS THINK YA FO0LNG? if you had global warming/you would have 100's OF PROOFS/not one you dont bother explaining[WEAK AS PEE]..LIARs..lie/lay down with dogs ya get fleas. and the computer trolls just come back with more lies 75 PERCENT OF RESPONDENTS TO A SMALL SURVEY..isnt 99 percent of all scientists if yoU TWEAK THE NUMBERS[OR PUT THE TEMP Gauges at hot 24.7 airfields/ya tweaking THE NUMBERS[if your measing te out flow/from a powrr generator/yes warming...lol warming[it was colling/cfc's/ozne holes IT WAS METHANE FROM COWS[BUT NOT METHANE FROM FRAkking/or home composting? GET A JOB PRESENT REAL FACTS/NOT SPIN..bah http://www.os.is/gogn/unu-gtp-sc/UNU-GTP-SC-06-31.pdf Posted by one under god, Friday, 27 June 2014 7:02:34 PM
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one under god, I don't think there are too many Indians living in Antarctica, the Gangotri glacier is in the Himalayas which feeds the Ganges River. The film clip shows how there are several spots marked displaying the glacier receding.
Your reference, one under god, says that 95% of glaciers are retreating in the High Asia area. Your reference is dated 2009; whereas, later references say retreat has increased since. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NOWonPBS+(NOW+on+PBS) http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/gangotri-glacier-is-retreating-report/article5549905.ece http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1807/18070690.htm one under god, the literature I have read, including the reference you gave, discuss tectonic movement, which is different to volcanic action. Your reference is a little older than the ones I have provided. Interesting the reference you gave acknowledges climate change ..."Impact of Climate Change" on page 6. You raised the matter of methane; live stock releasing methane is not a problem. The real problem is the breakdown of permafrost, glacial ice, and clathrates of methane. Prior to the Industrial Revolution methane was measured at around 700 ppb it is now getting up to 1,900 ppb. Posted by ant, Friday, 27 June 2014 9:55:48 PM
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ANT BRAIN/I WILL TALK slow
from your mIDDLE LINK <<>.The institute..>> which institute[ie numbers] <<..has been monitoring the Himalayan glaciers, particularly the Gangotri, since 1999.>> BUT..then/..<<..The Gangotri..>>,=edited=..<<..glacier is 30.2km long <<>..has retreated more than 1,500 metres..in the last 70 years.>> I KNOW ANTS ARNt that clever but get ya mUM TO DO THE MATH PLEASE THINK.. THINK..ant BRAIN 30 KILL-0-METERS..LONG 1 and one half kilOMETERS/MELTED..since worls war two AT THIS RATE..HOW long till its 'GONE' let me help you with the math 70 YEARS=1500 meters the damm great big LUMP OF ICE..IS 32,000 METERS..LONG[YA NONG] BUT WAIT/ANT brain..look..<<>.Post-1971, the rate of retreat of the glacier has declined...>> so now iTS 1000 METERS/EVERY 70 YEars that sure makes the ant matH EASY..[UNLESS YOU GOT ANT BRAINS[ WHAT IS 70 YEARS times 32.. somewhere near two thousand 100 YEARS 20 CENTURIES of years ant[figure it out/THINK..HOW MUCH YOU WILLING TO PAY/FOR HOW LONG[YA NONG]..YOU BE LONG GONE/AND YET THE Melt lives on begone with ya time wasting cccrap..ant you make uP LIES/YOU SPREAD LIES/BY YA Own links[quoted/NOT MISS REPRESENTED/BY TINY LITTLE mites/,,mate..go PEDDLE YA LIES ELSEWHERE IF ITS GLOBAL all WILL BE MELTING/TILL YOU GOt proof lol.pull ya aint brain in but wait/more ant braiN MATH..<<>>“2000 onwards, the average rate of retreat of the glacier per year has been about 12 to 13 metres,>>”12times70=840/METERS?..<<.. =said Dr. Kireet Kumar of the G.B. Pant Institute.>> SO MY POOR RETARD MATH SAYS SINCE Your fools been watching it/the melting has halved[SINCE 2000]..NOW ANT BRAIN GO SCREW YA SELF/IM SICK OF YA WASTING MY TIME/GET LOst sun..ya lies are done...ya can only take the tax from your own buM.[NOTING ANTS BUMS ARE OFTEN BIGGER THAN THEIR TINY HEads. SEE YA ANT DROP DED. Posted by one under god, Saturday, 28 June 2014 12:55:32 AM
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When I provide examples it is possible to find the details on the net.
For instance in relation to the Gangotri glacier, that information came from a film clip titled On Thin Ice, another good source of information is a series of film clips titled Thin Ice. Google them if you do not believe me. I chose the Gangotri glacier on the basis that it provides water for millions of people in India.
It amuses me that you suggest a product is being sold to you.
Here is a very short clip about thermokarst failure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CVKsZhrsAec
It occurs due to permafrost melting.
In other posts I have written about extreme rainfall events that have occurred around the globe. There have been two huge downpours which have almost stopped soccer matches the US was to play in Brazil; the first against Ghana, and the second against Germany.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/26/3453570/world-cup-flooding/