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Conservatism and climate science : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014

Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?

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Hasbeen,

"....but it is the science that proves it's a scam."

Lol! - tell us more...apparently you've "got the maths".

Any experience in atmospheric physics or oceanography...perhaps glaciology?

"That & the number of times the promoters have been caught fiddling the books...."

Which times, Hasbeen?

Which times that don't have the word "exonerated" attached at the conclusion?

Bugsy is spot on with his assessment that multi-billionaires with their fingers in the fossil fuel pie are the ones that bankroll the sham that is climate "skepticism".
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 8:36:35 PM
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Godo - Quote "It astounds me that a so-called academic can dismiss the overwhelming proportion of climate scientists as "the politically driven orthodox"."

Please explain where you arrive at that assumption?

Remember the fake emails and the global warming video by Al Gore wich turned out to be mostly incorrect.
Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 9:53:55 PM
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Hasbeen, sounds as though you should have a crack at the challenge of obtaining $10,000.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/23/3451810/physicist-offers-climate-denier-reward/
You will need to convince a physicist that he knows nothing about the characteristics of carbon dioxide.

You might also like to reflect on:
http://robertscribbler.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/nearly-9000-more-homes-lost-to-flooding-as-chinas-41-day-deluge-continues/

In a previous post I stated ... climate science informs us that the atmosphere carries more moisture, and when it rains there is the potential for huge downpours. We know thats happened in US regions, China, Britain,Serbia/Bosnia, Austria in late 2013 and 2014. Lately in NE Brazil it went close to creating the need for a soccer match between US and Ghana to be cancelled. Just lately more US States have been hit by anomalous rainfall.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/23/3451774/midwest-flooding/
Posted by ant, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 10:15:21 PM
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Ho hum, more endless assuming what they haven't proved, appeal to absent authority, appeals to non-existent final wisdom, appeals to misrepresented consensus, reliance on an empire of facile, dodgy and dishonest manipulations of data, more ad hominem sneering, there's just one thing the warmists haven't got - data to back up their claims.

All you need to know to understand the entire debate is this: CO2 emissions have gone up and up and up, and ALL the warmist models predictions of temperature were wrong.

The very idea that the science is "settled"- that without showing reason or evidence, you have reached final unquestionable truth in reliance on authority, is so unscientific, it's laughable. It's the opposite of science.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 10:30:32 PM
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"Ho hum, more endless assuming what they haven't proved, appeal to absent authority, appeals to non-existent final wisdom, appeals to misrepresented consensus, reliance on an empire of facile, dodgy and dishonest manipulations of data, more ad hominem sneering..."

Ho hum...here comes JKJ again wheeling out his generic rant ad nauseam.

One size fits all as far as debate goes for Jardine - on any subject.

"The very idea that the science is "settled".. (blah, blah, blah...)

The "only" bods who spruik the "science is settled" line are 'skeptics' who again wheel it out at any and every opportunity and attempt to paste it onto "real" scientists who "never" maintain that "the science is settled".
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 11:40:30 PM
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Just some light relief.

Here in Melbourne our mean temperature for May was the third highest on record (The equal first highest was in 2007) a balmy 2.5 degrees above the average mean for the month plus we had a record number of days over 20 degrees.

So far in June we have yet to experience even one day drop to the mean temperature of 14.1 C.

Of course this is weather.

Climate is when you have 9 of your top 10 highest average yearly temperature readings occurring in the last 15 years.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 11:42:19 PM
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