Ant,

Re Greenland/thermokarst lakes.

I did a bit of googling --and things don’t seem as simple as your link would have us believe. Your link paints a picture of unprecedented runaway meltdown. But there is evidence of a) refreezing and/or b) a long-established cyclical pattern at play:

<<...the researchers ...were able to construct a continuous history going back 120 years. By studying the debris and silt deposited in the fjord, estimations can be made about the rate of iceberg calving, and hence ice loss from the flowing ice of the glacier...the researchers were able to create a history of ice loss for Helheim [Glacier]...Two pronounced calving maxima are observed: one during the past 10 years, the other in the late 1930s/early 1940s. The long-term calving increase is probably due to a shift from the Little Ice Age conditions, which were characterized by low air temperatures and strong polar-water influence..."Our analysis indicates that the recent increase in calving activity observed at Helheim Glacier is not unique but that a similarly large event occurred in the late 1930s/early 1940s. These two episodes occurred at times when the temperature of the Atlantic-water source was high (positive/warm Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation phase) and the polar-water export was at a record low (even if fluctuating)."..."“Our study provides evidence that Helheim Glacier responds to changes in [natural] atmosphere–ocean variability on timescales as short as a few years.”" [Camilla S. Andresen, Fiammetta Straneo, Mads Hvid Ribergaard, Anders A. Bjørk, Thorbjørn J. Andersen, Antoon Kuijpers, Niels Nørgaard-Pedersen, Kurt H. Kjær, Frands Schjøth, Kaarina Weckström, Andreas P. Ahlstrøm 2012: Nature Geoscience]>>

And, on the other side of the world -- there is evidence of an increase in ice coverage & cooling:

<<NASA's satellites have now been measuring global temperatures for a full 35 years (420 months through November 2013), including the Antarctic…As can be seen, there has been a cooling trend - granted, a very tiny -0.04°C/century, but it remains far removed from the IPCC's unicorn science of "amplified" and dangerous polar warming.And not only has it not warmed, the Antarctic sea ice has grown to a record amount...>>
http://www.c3headlines.com/arcticgreenlandantarcticglacierssea-ice/

steeleredux/quote..<<..The annual average maximum temperature reading for Sydney has only slipped below the average figure of 21.7 degrees Celsius once in the last 40 years.>>

YES STELLY/EVER HEARD OF HEAT ISLAND AFFECT?

[SEE HOW MUCH..snydnee/has groan..how we all HAVE GROWN/outwards
SEe HOW THE EXTRA FLIGHTS..in..CAUSE LOCAL WARMING/just from the extra tourists/let alone plain plan people

mate its a numbers game..[as more people squash into sydney basin they produce more heat..in sydney/thus heat island defect

not globaly.warming/cause the sky is frozen/desrts
[lol the insanity..of warming/when the pROOF SAYS WE ARE COOLING[thus need more C02 NOT LESS/LOSL

MORE polution is what we need/and you endtime lunaticks
still trying to cool it further down/based on the money sceme of an all gore clown

<<..40 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT/well dud..OF COURSE SYDNEY/is a bit hot/as it GETS WARMER/TALLER BUILDINGS/aircond/closed windows..SO MUCH BUILDINg/EXTRA TRAFFEXTRA POULATION MOVING/

ever encroaching/ENCROACHING GOING GOING.
see the seeds your need is sowing
poor you tax me screwu2

<<To me my friend..that is a changing climate.>>

TO ME THATS SUBRURBAN HEAT ISLAND AFFECT
AND GOING 24.7..and the airconditioning warmist tend/as the big users use ever more/cause our solar credits deliverd our money to their door/MY MONEY SITTING ON YOUR ROOF

where your proof
feel my reproof/thats nothing to what the real liars going to get[they aint seen nuthin..yet[but large income streams/and money lost/for us to spend on lifes other leasures/then pay the rent

SILLY THING TO ASK SHADOW MEMBER..<<..What is it to you? A fluke?>>
GO GET HIM SHADOW

SPQR

According to BOM
http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/?ref=marketing
Under the heading
Global atmosphere and cryosphere

“Ice-mass loss from Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets has accelerated. The mean estimated rate of ice loss from the Antarctic ice sheet has increased nearly five-fold from an estimated mean of 30 gigatonnes per year (Gt/yr) for the period from 1992 to 2001, to 147 Gt/yr for the period 2002 to 2011. The rate of ice loss from the Greenland ice sheet has increased from 34 to 215 Gt/yr over the same period.”

I have no doubt it has been pointed out before but the fact that seasonal sea ice area has increased slightly around Antarctica is entirely consistent with an influx of fresh water which freezes at a higher temperature than salt water, and does not for one moment negate the fact that land ice is being lost at an accelerating rate.

What is it with all the ice melt at Antartica, Antartica is actually getting bigger, because of the ice melt and refreezing as sea ice.

That is giving cool breezes more surface area to cool off even more before being sent to AU as a blizzard.

Climate change Crap is for real. How else is all this ice melting, the sea temp is getting hotter.

Wild weather all around the world crap.

Just like our fearless leader crap it takes Obama to shake his timbers.

Wake up to yourself crap it's all around you.

Warmair,

<<I have no doubt it has been pointed out before but the fact that seasonal sea ice area has increased slightly around Antarctica is entirely consistent with an influx of fresh water which freezes at a higher temperature>>

Just a silly question--if this is true (and I'm not jumping either way)

Would NOT it also lead to similar *increases* around Greenland --and why are we not seeing it mirrored there?

oh dear warmer..quote..<<..I have no doubt it has been pointed out before..>>

Y=IGNOANCE CAN SAY THINGS IN IGNORANCE
thinking the ignorance/being the bliss[THEIR POSSABLY CORRECT/but

<<>.but the fact that seasonal sea ice area has increased slightly around Antarctica is entirely consistent with an influx of fresh water which freezes at a higher temperature than salt water..>>

dear airhead/mate..please get this into your head
first/the bit you love/but that stops your mind from reading further[so/please skip this first bit/cause it sends your brain to sleep/[I INCLUDE IT ONLY TO SHOW I HAVNT CHEATED NOR EDITED/is is as it is

ready..?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_ice_pack

<<>.The Antarctic ice cover is highly seasonal,..with..
*very little ice..>>

ie very little 'new'[ice/which is what sea ice means;new

very little new ice over summer
some days a bit even melts/refrezes at night/but back to the quote

very little sea ice..<<.in the austral summer,..expanding to an area roughly equal..to that of Antarctica..in winter...Consequently, most Antarctic sea ice..is first year ice,..up to 1 meter (3.28 ft) thick>>

SO THATS THE BIT..<<..The Arctic Ocean is very different,..being a polar sea..*surrounded by /WARNING-land rather than a polar continent surrounded by sea,..and..THUS..its ice shows less seasonal variation.>>

[the caps/mine]
but please read on
recall/now 'sea ice=new ice]..

<<>...Currently 28% of Arctic basin sea ice..is multi-year ice,[*] thicker than seasonal:[*]..up to 3–4 meters (9.8–13.1 ft) thick over large areas, with ridges up to 20 meters (65.6 ft) thick.The area of sea ice around the poles in winter is about 15,600,000 km2 (6,000,000 sq mi) either for the Antarctic or Arctic.>>

HERE READ ON

<<..However, whereas the northern cap is shrinking at a rate of about 3% per decade, the southern cap is expanding at a rate of 0.8% per decade...>>

OMG
WARM AIR HEAD AND LITTLE ELSE
[READ COMPUTER program-TROLL..did you get that bit

ok thats all
next denier..[no johan thats us/..next warmist/coolist[what we call them changing fools?..revenuers/trolls chicken little/the sky is falling wannabe wolves creeping down into dark chimminies/tracking down the last warmist filthy carbon air breather