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Conservatism and climate science : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014

Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?

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The biblical prophets were independent of the regime and risked their lives telling kings such unpopular truths which they didn't want to hear.

In contrast, scientists sit at the king's table, yet there are some who wish to confer on them the status of prophets, then combine it with the ruthless power of the state.

Had global-warming been real, then it would be better to be fried alive by the sun than to succumb to the loss of freedom by human tyrants.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 8:47:09 AM
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It astounds me that a so-called academic can dismiss the overwhelming proportion of climate scientists as "the politically driven orthodox".
Posted by Godo, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 8:56:07 AM
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Godo says:"It astounds me that a so-called academic can dismiss the overwhelming proportion of climate scientists as 'the politically driven orthodox'"

Well Godo, I suggest you read "The Trouble with Physics" by Lee Smolin (a theoretical physicist) it will blow your socks off with an exposé of the shenanigans that goes on in the name of science.
Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 9:16:26 AM
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There's a logical fallacy at the end of Don's article. He seems to be saying that there's something wrong with the 'climate change message' because there is still a (now politically powerful) minority that disagree with it.

This is of course ridiculous. There will always be a minority that disagree with whatever message that might require collective or political action.

To use use Don's logic on another scientific 'controversy': Is there something wrong with vaccination? Well, the science says no, but there is a very vocal and ardent minority that like to spread doubt about it.
Using Don's logic, there must be something wrong with the vaccination 'message', and by implication that there's something wrong with the science behind it because the 'orthodox' have had a virtual monopoly on the message and yet there are still plenty of people who are unconvinced.

The thing about democracy is that collective action certainly takes a great deal of persuasion to change the status quo. It is actually quite easy for a minority to block that change, especially if that minority has powerful friends and that collective action may actually require a cost. Don, The 'virtual monopoly on the mass media' you seem to think that the 'orthodox' has enjoyed never existed.
Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 9:46:51 AM
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OH DEAR GOD0..MATE..REALLY..PLEASE DONT JUST ARROT BACK THE RUBBISH THE MEDIA FED YOU AND YOU LEARNED IN SCHOOL

PLEASE THINK..DEAR CHILD
ignorance is no excuse

HERE..try reading the real truth
http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=global_warming&id=main.html

think..matey..if the warming is true//why all the lies
[mate paid blogging..isnt working well for you/get a real job eh?
we want our money back syolen by enrons energy pricing scam

yet more info for you to blatently ignore
http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews

oh and dont forget al gore lied 35 times
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/fallacies.html

take ya fingers out of ya eyes and see the truth..really can set you free.but like ant..on the other thread..its the truth getting out your masters dread.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 9:47:46 AM
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…The debate on climate change has unknowingly metamorphosed into an internal war between the old guard Libertarian “Moral Relativists” of the 60’s; usurped by the fundamentalist conservatives: The natural state of the human mind!

…A war of philosophies will not a merry climate make!
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 9:49:47 AM
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