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Conservatism and climate science : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014

Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?

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SPQR, individual, I think everybody realises that climate change is happening over large time frames. The difference being that the level of human created carbon dioxide is about 130 plus times greater now than it had been millions of years ago. It is possible to differentiate the CO2 derived from fossil fuels compared to other sources. If you don't agree please show the relevant science.

If you feel that we are witnessing normal climate change you might try for the $10,000. But telling a physicist about the characteristics of CO2 would be like telling cricketer Sachin Tendulkar how to bat.
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 4:41:14 PM
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Ant,

<<if you feel that we are witnessing normal climate change you might try for the $10,000...>>

LOL

$10,000 does not demonstrate a high degree of confidence!

$10,000 in todays world is chicken feed. If your physicist friend was really confident he's bet his huge retirement super, his house, his car and even his wife-- then the bet might be worth taking up!
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 4:47:51 PM
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The $10,000 is being offered by an individual SPQR, quite an amount really. I guess your really saying you cannot meet the challenge.

Here is a short clip showing how CO2 takes up heat.

http://thiniceclimate.org/blog/details/1906/how-co2-traps-sun39s-warmth
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 5:21:11 PM
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DEAR ANT BRAIN..HEAT RISES,,can you comprehend that/so heat dont sink[get it yet]
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2014/05/14/deep-sea-volcanos-replace-consumers-as-blame-for-global-warmingclimate-change/
i think i just got it.you cant read
ant BRAIN CANT READ/FAIR ENOUGH,, get ya mum to rad this to you

damm i know he is only a computer program
http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews
but they seem so real,,BUT the science must be settled cause its FRAUD[DONT LOOK TOO CLOSE/..JUST GET THE TAX THOUGH

MUST TAX CARBON
FORGET FACTS..SCIENCE LIES
75 PERCENT..OF ALL RESPONDAnts.,,not aklll scientists

Decades after rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations was blamed on the industrial revolution, scientists discovered geological regions of volcanic activity on the ocean floor that emit – among other things – methane and carbon dioxide.

Even as vast new sources of greenhouse gas emissions were being discovered from within the ocean, the politics of Global Warming to blame “consumers” had already been decided.

In 1977, scientists diving in the submersible Alvin made a stunning discovery on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean: vents pouring hot, mineral-rich fluids from beneath the seafloor. In addition, they also found the vents were inhabited by previously unknown organisms that thrived in the absence of sunlight. These discoveries forever changed our understanding of Earth and life on it.

NEW SCIENTIST:

“The true extent to which the ocean bed is dotted with volcanoes has been revealed by researchers who have counted 201,055 underwater cones. This is over 10 times more than have been found before. The team estimates that in total there could be about 3 million submarine volcanoes, 39,000 of which rise more than 1000 metres over the sea bed.”

Commercial mining of Hydrothermal Vents and more aggressive oil drilling techniques deeper into magma regions adds additional risk that CO2 and/or methane (natural gas) will find its way into the atmosphere.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 5:35:11 PM
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You're acting more like a worm -- trying to wriggling out of it --than an Ant.

I'm betting that $10,000 is only a tiny,tiny fraction of this "individuals" assets.And the advertising/publicity alone he is getting from the stunt must be worth at least $10,000.

If he was really confident why is he not tabling his super,his house, his car etc?
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 5:39:08 PM
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i try TO IGNORE THESE FOOLSAHH/WITH/LIES
YA GOTTA LOVE.. the/NEST FEATHERING
N

JUSt get the coal price up..TILL
THE..55 CENTS solar payoff/LOOKS CHEAPER

YOUR GREAT GRAND-kids will reap the pain/OF THE Lies
done by fear mongering spin/of big money/shat/down the drain.
THINK WHAT..OUR POWER EXPENDITURE /MONIES\USED TO SUPPORT[family entertainment/no fun park/no hrse-riding/no swinning/fishing..scuba/or/other recreation[we must pay our power bill]

NO MORE FAMILY TREats/thanks to you greenie freaks.
but..PLEASE NOTE..THE COST..OF COAL[BEFORE YOU GUYS BEgan screwing them/..and shutting theM DOWN..WITH GABON CREDITS/TO MITIGATE CARBON

COAL GENERATION GONE..FOR THE FUTURE
SEE/CARBON CREDIT\out priced/KEEPING-CHEAPPRICED COAl/GENERATION[6 ICIENCIES/NOW LOST...6/CENTS A WATt]/but greenies are burNING THE KNOWING/PEAK EFFICIENCIES/we painfully attained/gone[move on]

THING IS..THEse..fools..DONT REALISE..WHY THEY ARE GETTING NEAR 4 TIMES THE COal price..generated powER PRICES....[THE EXPECTATION IS THAT keep doubling up the price of coal/and 55 cents buy back will look cheap.

but carbon credits are shutting
down coal/scapping/thE COPPER/ETC ETC
just put in/for a grant*..do the numbers

the algore/billionares\need the tax..[OR RATHER THE DAMAge./that credit can do to the rest of you[yankIES ARE SHUTTING DOWN/HAVE BLACKOUTS/[CARBon abaitment..[euro carbon credits/soLD YA OUT/mate

how to say..[nay demand/thEY INCLUDE/future/cost\PRICES/
BUT/IT]WOULD/REVEAL..WHEN THE PRICE PARITY
FINALY SETTLES..TRIPPLE THE SOLAR/COST TODAY.

RELitivly speaking..55 cent buy back mob
wiLL THEN BEGIN TO FEEL..AS WE WHO GAVE THEM..;..THeir free lunch feel today

[SURE WAY BACK..IF/MY POWER BILLS/WERE the same..[as theirs/who took\the bait/as token\suppliers/while the mates\rates/run hectares/of solar cash cows

as/THEIR\free solar cells/CAME/by govt malfeasance
they belong/to the people/PROOF OF CRIMENAL MALFEASENCE

IF..I TOO..Was a huge/POWER\user[pOWER-abuser]
IF SO..THEN YES I WOULD TOO HAVE SNAFLED UP 55 CENTS extortion froM everyone else/THEN YELL/..AT THE DENIERS/HOw low WE ARE\IGNORANT/UNIFORMED/HOLLOW-COST DENIERS

i now seE THOSE FACTORY ROofS/AND Roves\hectARES/OF GOVT CASH-COW/LARGESS.[READ..CASH-INCOME stream]

MASSIVE^..income stream$$$..THEN/RECALL/WHOLE Stadia/universities/schOOL OVELKS/FULL OF THOUSANDS OF CASh cow/INCOME STRAMS/them semii private public buILDINGS..[run/for beurocrATES/BY BEURocrats..;AS A WAY TO DO A HUGE CASH CRAB'from the public purse

[NON TRANSFERABLE/contract
once sold/privatized?]
YOU JUST WATCH/LAWYERS KNOW..escape clauses.[BE WARNED]
PROCEEDS OF CRIME Cannot gain lawfull title[one sit in your gone]
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 26 June 2014 8:52:48 AM
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