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Conservatism and climate science : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014

Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?

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@Steelredux

<<So far in June we have yet to experience even one day drop to the mean temperature of 14.1 C.>>

Betya you get it today!
It's brass monkeys cold in Sydney this morning.

<<when you have 9 of your top 10 highest average yearly temperature readings occurring in the last 15 years>>
Wow. You have to hand it to the AGW believers they are at the cutting edge of statistical/trend analysis. I'd love to see how that type of think would perform if applied to stocks and shares --lets see now|:

If share X has hit a new high in 9 successive days it is guaranteed to be the next Apple?
Somehow I couldnt see Ant's Dr. Christopher Keating putting his $10,000 on that!
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 6:46:22 AM
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Climate is when you have 9 of your top 10 highest average yearly temperature readings occurring in the last 15 years.
SteeleRedux,

Climate is also something you can do sfa about. A tax won't solve it but handing out easy living to make people breed more & easier is certainly the main man-made contributor to climate change simply because of too many people using too many polluting practices.
Reduce the population & you will delay the next ice age by a week in 8000 years. That's the reality of it all. No science crap, no nothing just plain reality. Unlike scientists & left wing politicians I'm not making a career out of saying this paid for by taxpayers money.
In fact the climate is not an immediate threat, superstitious religious fruitloops are.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 7:36:37 AM
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‘morning Don,

“Of shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and kings”

Or, Of deniers, flat Earthers, polar bears, conservatives, sea rises, melting glaciers, consensus, polar ice or renewables and things?

We are often told by the ALP, Greens and much of our media just how well the de-carbonization thingy is going in the rest of the world and that we are “falling behind”.

Just as well I think? Why would we want to buy into the unfolding CAGW disaster in Europe?

It’s been a great scam for everyone except the public who have provided every cent of the 800 bn Euro's (US$ 1 trillion) sucked out of their economy since 2004.

So who were the “winners”?

Energy, banking, investors, wealthy land owners, renewable industries, political elites, emission certificate traders, university research renters, the unelected EU commissioners, the UN’s FCCC and the IPCC.

Nice game if you can “get in” on the action but in the end, when it all falls apart and the bill pops through the mailbox, the public again pays for this folly.

New Report: Alarm Over Climate Turns People Off - The Times, 24 June 2014

EU Climate Push Threatens Energy Security, Poland Warns - Bloomberg, 23 June 2014

Facing €200 Billion Solar Bill, Italy Plans Retrospective Subsidy Cuts - Reuters, 23 June 2014

German Solar Sector Collapses As Government Plans ‘Sonnen’ Tax - PV Tech, 20 June 2014

Germany’s ‘Green’ Policy Threatens EU Climate Goals - The American Interest, 21 June 2014

Green Investors Abandon Spain After Renewable Subsidies Are Cut - Financial Times, 24 June 2014

Shale Duel: Is It Time To Frack In Britain? - Prospect Magazine, July 2014

Australia “falling behind”? Thank goodness for that.
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 8:42:34 AM
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individual, you suggested an ice age may be coming our way...you stated "Reduce the population & you will delay the next ice age by a week in 8000 years." In geological terms I gather we are due for an ice age.
While the science is still being established in relation to the impact of the sun on climate; many scientists are suggesting that due to reduction in sunspot activity we should be going through a cooling period at present. BUT,cooling has certainly not been taking place, it is a myth that is perpetrated by deniers.
All around the planet, glaciers are in a state of retreat except for some examples. In relation to Greenland, it has been stated that there could be some thermal activity in the NE being part of the reason for the quick retreat. However, surface melt over the last few years indicates there is more than just thermal activity going on.

I wonder what percentage of people who live in cities as against the percentage living in rural areas believe in anthropogenic climate change.
A few months ago when listening to the radio a farmer who identified himself as a climate change champion talked about the impact on farms through climate change. Farmers are very practical people, if they did not believe something to be true they would not be involved. He stated that keeping a close watch on change in weather patterns over a lengthy period convinced him and some of his colleagues to become climate change champions.
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 11:21:18 AM
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@Ant,

One Just has to love the way true believers simplify things:

<<A few months ago when listening to the radio a farmer who identified himself as a climate change champion talked about the impact on farms through climate change...[his] stated that …a close watch on change in weather patterns over a lengthy period convinced him and some of his colleagues to become climate change champions.>>

DUH! I have not met anyone who does not believe in “climate change”.

The bit that most people don’t get is that climate change is all to do with anthropogenic CO2 and if we stopped emissions of anthropogenic CO2 (for whatever time span you’d like to fiddle in) we would stop climate change –total and utter BS!
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 1:52:49 PM
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ant,
Many people are falling into the academic trap of if it doesn't happen within your time then it isn't happening.
There is a climate change, there are always climate changes, that's how Planet Earth became the way it is. If it were up to the global warming crowd we'd still be crawling on all fours & eat each other because they're dead against evolution.
Climate change is what causes evolution !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 2:20:05 PM
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