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White folk memory a case of white false memory : Comments

By Helen Pringle, published 3/10/2005

Helen Pringle argues multiculturalism is deeply rooted in Australia.

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Redneck-

How can you explain higher rape stats in areas of less Arabic and Muslim prescence as is indicated by BOSCAR which happens to be the Bureau of Crime Stats NSW.

Again you miss the point- that quote comes from an academic publication as referenced. It is not something which came from my mouth, unlike most of your statements
Posted by scooper9, Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:11:13 PM
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The NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics is not to be believed, according to the self-styled redneck, because it is

"...just another politically correct organisation staffed by homosexuals who despise their own country and who will stop at nothing to hide the truth".

Unlike, of course, wildly heterosexual shock jocks like Alan Jones!
Posted by mahatma duck, Monday, 10 October 2005 6:38:07 AM
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"I fully appreciate the fact that all cultures experience rape and gang rape. But what I am proving is that the unacceptably high incidences of gang rape behaviour in this country by men of Muslim culture is a product of their own cultural values, which stress that women must behave and dress in certain ways or they deserve to be raped. And if they are raped it is entirely their own fault.

This calls into question why we are bringing such dangerous and backward people into this country when they are plainly a threat to our wives and daughters"

For starters Redneck most of them were born here, educated here. Again you resort to glittering generalalities. - its akin to Reverend Lovejoy's cry in 'The Simpsons', 'Won't someone please think of the children'.

You haven't proved anything Redneck, except your ability to gloat. The fact is crime stats simply do not support your claim for high incidences of gang rape by Muslim or Arabic Australians, and for that matter neither does any other empirical evidence apart from the tabloids.

The facts are as simple- sexual assaults are higher in other parts of NSW where there is less Muslim and Arabic Australians, so how do you explain that in light of your claims? To take a leaf out of your book, I saw the Wallabies Doctor's son being charged with gang rape- so now there must be a Caucasian hate rape gang in Sydney, which we don't hear about because of the PC media and government officals- quick we better hide our wives and daughters now!
Posted by scooper9, Monday, 10 October 2005 10:16:36 AM
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Aw shucks, Scooper. You asked a very interesting question when you asked me to explain why some areas of NSW have higher incidences of sexual assault than “Muslim” areas. I wrote about 1000 words in reply, and was prepared to post them in instalments. But now you go and post another sneery article which I feel that I should also respond too.

Yes, the Muslim race hate gang rapists were “born here” and it is obvious by their own behaviour that they hate Australians. These men do not consider themselves “Australians” any more than the suicide bombers in London considered themselves “British.” And that is the problem. We are bringing unassimilatable people from hostile cultures into this country and then act amazed when they turn on us.

Could I remind you that the 70 girls who were gang raped were not only raped, they were spat upon and urinated upon while being called “Aussie sluts” and “Aussie pigs”. One girl was told repeatedly that she was being raped “because she is Australian and deserves it.” . Could I quote firebrand Cleric Abu Yayha who claimed that “Our loyalty is to Allah and his prophet, not to Queen and country. Nationality means nothing.”

I thought that Australia had an Army and a Navy to keep dangerous foreigners like this who’s loyalty is entirely to their God and their ethnic tribal homelands right out of the place.

Even Justice Finnane’s summation stressed the race hate aspect of the Bilal rape gang’s actions. “…by asking some of their victims if the liked it “Leb style and words to that effect, suggesting that in some way that they are a part of a separate group that is not really a part of this community…… they are wreaking revenge on the other group, the Australian group.”

Do you get your humanitarian ideals from watching children's cartoon shows? No wonder you are so easy to beat.
Posted by redneck, Monday, 10 October 2005 7:34:15 PM
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I am the author of this article. Thank you to everyone for your comments, but imho there are a few misperceptions. I don't think my perspective is that of a "trendy leftie", I simply think it is important to live one's life with dignity and to respect the dignity of each person.

I do not think, nor do I say or imply in this article, that the only racists in the world are white people or that all Chinese are paragons of virtue. The article does not "sneer" at anyone, rather it is (as sneekeepete rightly notes) a very simple piece, thinking over who we are and who we were. [As an aside: as a person of part Scots descent, and with some knowledge of the history of Scotland, I would caution against assuming that there is a homogeneous "British" culture (or language or law...) underlying Australian identity.]

I do not think readers of this forum are stupid or dumb, as BOAZ asserts, and I say explicitly in the article that the gentle love of Mr and Mrs Chick Tong did not represent the dominant pattern of relationships between people of different races or cultures. Theirs is a picture of what is possible and of what was sometimes attained.

Andrew Fraser asserts the genetic basis of identity, whereas most of the comments here concern the alleged (cultural) propensity of Muslims to rape, so a little off-topic (ie I would prefer to deal with that question at more length elsewhere). But what does dismay me is the tendency in some of the posts to portray sexual assault not as an injury to its target, but as an injury to men via "our wives and daughters". This tendency is emphasised by the distressingly rough and brutal tone of some posts. For example, a recent post notes, "You are just squealing beause I am doing you like a dinner." This is not the language of civility, and is worlds removed from the gentle conversation implied in the photograph of Mr and Mrs Chick Tong.
Posted by isabelberners, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:40:52 AM
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Redneck- The only answer to my query was the following statement:

“You claimed that there were more rapes on the NSW North Coast than in Muslim areas. Uh huh. The nightclubs where girls are routinely getting their drinks allegedly spiked by Muslims like Adel Samadi and Chebil Djait are not noted for being in Muslim areas. But thank you for admitting how Australia’s suburbs are becoming racially segregated. Now, let’s look at the North Coast of NSW. Is there not large Aboriginal communities on NSW’s North Coast? And are we all not confronted about stories of children getting raped in aboriginal communities? Are not these rapes so bad, that aboriginal children as young as six are now being screened for sexually transmitted diseases? But you kinda forgot to mention that, right?”

So the only answer to my question transformed into a debate about Aboriginal crime, which for most people has very little to do with your attempts to show there are “Muslim hate rape gangs’ in Sydney. The only thing I have seen from you from the AIC was one report, and you didn’t even know what BOSCAR ways despite claiming to have referenced from there. Then you turn to your reminder of the accusations of the ‘Aussie sluts’ etc, which has little to do with proving your assertion that there are ‘Muslim hate rape gangs’ operating in Sydney, neither is the comment about Justice Finnane.

So your claim:

“I fully appreciate the fact that all cultures experience rape and gang rape. But what I am proving is that the unacceptably high incidences of gang rape behaviour in this country by men of Muslim culture is a product of their own cultural values, which stress that women must behave and dress in certain ways or they deserve to be raped. And if they are raped it is entirely their own fault”

is not supported by the fact that rape is generally higher in “predominantly white rural areas”- so to borrow the words of one your likely heroes- please explain?

http://www.thepaper.org.au/issues/019/019gang_rape_ruled_to_be_free_from_racism.html

http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/pages/bocsar_lgaranks_sexualassault04

You can stop gloating- you’ve got nothing
Posted by scooper9, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 4:37:23 PM
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