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White folk memory a case of white false memory : Comments

By Helen Pringle, published 3/10/2005

Helen Pringle argues multiculturalism is deeply rooted in Australia.

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Author again. You can view the photo of Mr and Mrs Chick Tong at this wonderful archive (you might need to copy & paste the url):

http://enc.slq.qld.gov.au/slq/neg/preview/150000/150952p.jpg
Posted by isabelberners, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 4:38:48 PM
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Claiming that the NSW country town of Coolamon has a rape problem because it has the highest rate of “sexual assault” in the State is a half truth. And a half truth told as a full truth is a complete lie.

Every person capable of reading this topic (excluding Kenny) has the wit to understand that large generalizations can not be accurately made from a small statistical base. The rate of “sexual assault” (which could mean pinching a girl’s bum) has been given in terms of rate per 100,000, and that from a township of only 4000. Any annual statistical anomaly from a small sample (which may only occur in a single year) which is extrapolated upwards to a high general rate, will cause unacceptable errors.

A school in Walgatt, which is primarily aboriginal, has a year 9 class where one half of the girls are pregnant. This does not mean that the rate of juvenile female pregnancy in Walgett or in any other small country town is 50,000/100,000, or even that juvenile pregnancy in country areas is a problem at all.

Nor can it be inferred that any incidence of rape is higher in “white rural areas”. Making direct proportional comparisons with a township of 4000 people to an area the size of Southwest Sydney, which may contain 400,000 people is a bit rich. Especially if the ethnicity of the offenders and the victims is unknown. If small country towns have a problem with sexual assault, it would be reasonable to assume that all small country towns would have that problem. The fact that only 50 of hundreds of NSW country towns are even mentioned, indicates that these “sexual assaults” may even have been rare, one off events by single individuals.

This is a perfect example of left whingers using spurious statistical analysis to promote their causes. Coolamon is hardly noted for any crime problem, much less gang rape. South West Sydney is most certainly notorious for it’s crime problem, especially the gang rape attacks by Muslim race hate rape packs on Australian girls.
Posted by redneck, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 7:35:21 PM
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Redneck- you are still avoiding the question. Those stats are from the NSW Bureau of Crime statistics, a site which you yourself claimed as one of your sources. So now you do not even trust your own sources now?

"I have taken the trouble to obtain material from the ABS, the Australian Institute of Criminology, and the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics which I cross reference with the newspaper articles".

I never said there was a rape problem in that town- I merely pointed out the bleeding obvious- that sexual assault is more prevalent in predominatly rural towns in NSW, and whether it is gang rape or not does not matter. What it does suggest is that the incidence of rape in South West Sydney is no where nearly as high as you believe, and thats all it is, a belief.

Even the head of the Bureau Dr Weatherburn stated that "the rate of sexual assault was nearly twice as high in the state's Northern, and over twice as high in its North Western, Statistical division." Furtheremore he acknowledged that whilst some sexual assaults may remain unreported "there is no reason to believe that victims of sexual violent are any more reluctant to report that violence to police in Bankstown than they are in any other area of the State". (Poynting, S et al. 2004. 19)

So now you claim that these figures are spurious, despite apparently sourcing from the same website, then believe that there are muslim hate rape gangs in Sydney without any evidence, whilst discounting valid and blatantly obvious evidence that is documented. You are missing the forest for trees Redneck.
Posted by scooper9, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 7:52:57 PM
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One more thing- you acknolwedged that sexaul assaults in rural NSW maybe be committed by a single indivdual- thus the same assumption could be said for sexual assault in South Western Sydney can it not?

Otherwise, apart from your newspaper clippings, do you have the figures for gang rapes in South Western Sydney? Just to clarify my previous point about south western sydney to avoid ambiguity, those figures are adjusted for population, a common practice amongst leading criminologists to the best of my knowledge.

I think Redneck you are a victim of the moral panic about gang rapes more than anything else. The media literacy of people in this nation is often much lower than what it could and perhaps should be, but having said that not everyone has the time or will to look beyond the printed page. And Redneck who exists in a maze of contradictions/ fallacies is one such victim.
Posted by scooper9, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 8:17:46 PM
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Come on guys, can't you all get off the idea that multicuturalism equals rape?

Yes, there has been a lot of recent media publicity about certain sexual assault trials involving people of non Anglo-Celtic background, but is this really the sole area to which any discussion of multiculturalism boils down to?

Perhaps we should look at some other situations, like the attrocious behaviour that many of us have experienced from European, British and Canadian backpackers.

Or maybe the way that Brazilians seem to take up more personal space in public than the rest of us through their exuberance and loud talking on public transport.

Maybe we should groan about the influence of the USA through TV and movies, and how the "Australian culture" has drawn closer to the USA than Britain from the early 1900s, that is right, not from 1942, but 40 or 50 years earlier.

There are many more examples, I would even consider that the move of the South Melbourne Swans into Sydney on this temporary basis has been an attempt to foist the 'culture' of Melbourne onto Sydney. And no, I have never been to an AFL game, nor watched one on TV, the culture is too foreign for me.
Posted by Hamlet, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 11:14:26 PM
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The figures that are available are not for aggravated sexual assault, only for sexual assault. That is like trying to divine the rate of armed robbery by using figures which only list “theft.” The best way to figure out what is going on is to list offenders by their ethnicity and religion and make comparisons. But people like you are absolutely terrified of what that would reveal, and so these figures can not legally be kept by either the AIC or the ABS because of the political lobbying by people like you.

The original story was released by SMH police reporter John Kidman and his article claimed that NSW police were investigating 20 gang rapes and knew of 50 others from hospital admission records, but they admitted that these rapes may have been the tip of the iceberg. Strike Group Sayda was formed who’s investigations revealed an offence rate of around one race hate gang rape per month that was being committed by several loosely affiliated groups of young Muslim men.

I think, Scooper9, that you are the victim of blind ideology when you can not recognise a threat to your own people when it is staring you in the face. It has always been the sacred duty of the men of any community to defend their women from the depredations of hostile enemy tribes. Inviting those hostile tribes into your own fortress so that they may attack your women at their leisure is not a bright idea. How you can go through all kinds of mental gymnastics to deny the obvious is beyond me.

According to the book “Rising Crime in Australia”, there were a total of 9 convictions for rape or even attempted rape in the whole of Australia in 1923. Today there are around 4000 “sexual assaults” per year per state. Things appear to have been better when Australians were poorer and when we did not have women debasing pornography daily shoved in our faces. But if we continue to allow the importation of crime and welfare prone immigrant groups, then baby, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet
Posted by redneck, Thursday, 13 October 2005 4:31:10 AM
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