I just love that title helen, white false memory - cracks me up.

and sneekeepete, your view on who's unaustralian is absolutely correct.

as for the chinese immigrants, as identified by helen, obviously there are many many more of the same ilke and some of them even married into aboriginal families. the most notable aboriginal chinese i think is the former NT politician, John Ah Kit. On a visit to Hong Kong for state business he identified himself as having chinese heritage, this is what he says about it-

"The response of my Chinese hosts was extraordinary - and completely unexpected. They informed me that, because my grandfather had come from Hong Kong and the province around Canton, I had residency rights and could return to the land of my ancestors if I wanted. In other words, I had a form of land rights! I'll be buggered, I thought. I'd spent, by that stage, 15 years fighting against big odds to defend land rights in the NT and elsewhere in Australia, and here are my chinese cousins suggesting it wasnt too much trouble to organise, afer all".

The westminster system serves its purpose but those old white australia notions do not. If anything those old notions are only good for maintaining igorance and racism.

Australia was built on the blood, sweat and tears of many many migrant people and those british ancestors of some benefitted more from those efforts than themselves. but it was alright when it was all white in control, and now the tables are turning. and its hard to let go.

Ignorance is a major problem in australia.

Hullo. Scooper9 and Mahatma Sitting Duck are now a tag team. No wuckers. Their efforts are so feeble I can easily handle both at once.

“Rape is not culture specific” Scooper? Well, some researchers from the Federal Australian Institute of Criminology disagree with you. Here is an excerpt from their book “Sexual violence in Australia”, page 14.

“Aboriginal women were 10.7 times more likely to be the victims of violent crime than non aboriginal women. It is likely, therefore, that rates of sexual violence against indigenous women are disproportionately high, when compared to non indigenous women.”

Now Scooper, go and write 100 times “I was WRONG and Redneck was RIGHT.”

Oh, and thank you, for your information that there were an incredible 70 sexual assault cases in the Lebanese Muslim ghetto of Bankstown in only one month. And you see no significance in that? Could you tell us what the rate of sexual assault in Hornsby was in the same month?

Just for the record, Scooper, the girls were not only raped, many of them were spat upon and urinated upon while being called "Aussie sluts!" and "Aussie pigs!" And as the ongoing trials prove, Bilal Skaf and his merry men were not the only ones doing it. Even Justice Finnane in his summing up at the trial of the Skaf "crew" acknowledged that these rapes were plainly race hate crimes.

Next Mahatma Sitting Duck moans that I do not use reliable official data to formulate my opinions, and that I only rely on the media. Well, ya see Ducky, in 1993, the assorted ethnic organisations who were terrified of the very high rates of criminal behaviour exhibited by their fellow nationals, they successfully lobbied the federal Government to prevent the ABS from examining or even keeping statistics on ethnic related crime. I am certain that you would applaud that sentiment because you too are frightened of the implications.

Since the true and damning statistics are being hidden by vested interests from the scrutiny of the public, the only resort left to people digging for the truth is the media.

Redneck- firstly I would appreciate that if you wish to paraphrase me that you do it correctly. I stated in an earlier thread:

" The media and political attention paid to ethnicity in Skaf's crime obscures the reality that gang rape is common across cultures. For example, manager of the NSW Rape Crisis Centre, Karen Willis explains that women 'are being gang raped most weekends in Australia' (Baird 2004) and that it is not a problem confined to individual cultures (in Duff 2002) (Gleeson, Kate. 'From the Centenary to the Olympics, Gang Rape in Sydney in Vol 16 No 2 Current Issues in Criminal Justice)

You seem to believe that gang rape is linked only to Muslims, and your ‘Muslims hate rape gangs’, which as is plainly obvious it is not. Not to forget your reference to the 70 sexual assaults in one month- most of which were committed by an individual.

Thanks for doing some research- did you pick up the following from page 15:

41 per cent of rapists were Aboriginal, 42 per cent were white and 17 per
cent were Aboriginal and white rapists acting together.

Either way you missed the point. Based on the fact that the media ignored the clarification of the 70 assaults, it is likely the offender was in fact white, and of course not to forget not a gang rapist, unlike your belief in the Muslim hate rape gangs. Finally:

“There is a grain- and only a grain- of truth in the widely repeated claims that the gang rapes in question appeared to be racially motivated. It was reportedly asserted by one of the victims that the perpetrators made racial remarks and insults while the young women were held captive and sexually assaulted”. (Poynting, S et al. 125. 2004) Furthermore out of the 7 victims of the rapes most were described as Caucasian, or Australian only 4 girls were in fact of Anglo descent- the rest were Italian or Greek descent. In addition to this one of the victims had Aboriginal parentage

Don't worry too much, Scooper. Our rednecked friend has established, beyond any reasonable doubt, that his opinions are based on quite disgusting prejudice. He simply cherrypicks factoids that suit his literally hateful agenda.

About the best thing I could suggest for him is that he acquires for himself a better education than he has had thus far. Redneck: you clearly have an active and enquiring mind - give yourself a break and get an education.

Despite the naysayers, we actually do education quite well in global terms :)

Mahatma Duck
Could you please make some points to the arguement, rather than just ragging redneck?

You are repeating the fiction now being offered by the politically exquisite that the 70 Australian girls raped by Muslim race hate rape packs around the time of the Olympics was simply a media beat up of some everyday problem.

The ongoing attacks by men of “Middle Eastern Appearance” and the rape trials of men who are quite plainly Muslims, has become a monthly event in Sydney. The problem of gang rape in the “troubled” Muslim South West of Sydney was so bad that on August 12th, 2001, Sydney police began issuing warnings to Bankstown local schools and to women in this area to not walk near the curb to minimise the chance that they too might get pulled into a car and gang raped. If gang rape is such an everyday event in NSW, then why did the NSW Police limit their actions to this one area?

Last month one Muslim man who’s son is accused of rape has admitted in court that he tried to hire a “hitman” to murder his son’s accuser. The “hitman” was an undercover NSW police officer who taped the offender asking the “hitman” to kill the girl “slowly.” While such behaviour appears utterly reprehensible to Australians, it can be considered “honourable” behaviour in Muslim societies where men hold the view that if a woman gets raped it is her own fault.

One serious race hate gang rape was heard before Judge Megan Latham who claimed that there “was no racial element in the attack.” The outraged victim called a press conference and told the assembled media that she was told repeatedly during her 5 hour ordeal that she was being raped “because she was an Australian and deserved it.” She told the media that her official police statement had been doctored to remove any hint of racial taunts before it was submitted to the court. Plainly, Scooper9, there are people in the legal system who think just like you and they will go to any length to hide the truth.