Amel,
Another Muslims in denial of the behaviour their religion fosters. The Qur’an indoctrination engenders sexual abuse of women.

Dated eh?
Here is the section from the 2005 report on violence against women in Pakistan. http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/pak-summary-eng
Amnesty 2005 Report

Violence against women

Violence against women in the community, including crimes of “honour”, continued to be reported. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported that in 2003 more than 600 women had been killed for alleged breaches of “honour”. Many cases went unreported and victims included very young girls.
· In June a tribal council directed that seven-year-old Mouti be killed for an alleged illicit relation with an eight-year old boy. Her father refused to accept the verdict and approached the local district administrator who provided protection.

Legal provisions allowing those who commit “honour” killings to seek forgiveness from heirs of the victim continued to prevent criminal prosecution.
· In June, Shamim Badshah forgave her husband for murdering their daughter Fozia, whom he had killed on suspicion of maintaining an illicit relationship. A court in Lahore where the murder case was being heard ordered his release.

Although women’s groups demanded that the waiving of criminal prosecution for crimes of “honour” by the victims’ heirs be banned in order to deter potential perpetrators, this provision remained unchanged. In October the National Assembly passed draft legislation making the handing over of a woman as compensation for murder a criminal offence punishable by up to three years’ imprisonment. Under another amendment, criminal charges under the laws on blasphemy and Zina (unlawful sex) are to be investigated only by higher ranking police officers. However, the amendments had not been signed into law by the end of the year.

Despite the Sindh High Court’s ruling in April that trials by jirgas (tribal councils) were unlawful, the provincial government was reported to be preparing legislation to legalize this private justice system. Trials by jirga continued to be reported and no steps were known to have been taken against those participating in them.

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All posted this link earlier on Islam and Womanhood it’s worth a read.
http://derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/islamandwomanhood1.html

Philo,

No, the historical fact is that I and many other Indigenous people were not citizens when we were born. Didn’t you know this?

This country was not ceded by Indigenous people and nor was it declared conquered. Precedent in International law required that treaties be entered into with occupying peoples. But despite Capt Cook’s special instructions that emphasized - "with the consent of the natives take possession of convenient situations in the name of the King... or if you find the land uninhabited Take Possession for His Majesty, no treaty exists" – and so our status as Indigenous people remains unresolved constitutionally. The modern nation constituted at Federation in 1901 excluded indigenous people from the State, and such exclusion continued until the 1960s.

The quality of inclusion afforded me and mine since this time is nowhere near commensurate with modern approaches in law and policy in other countries such as the USA and Canada and NZ. In my perspective this anomaly remains to be a loose hanging thread in discussions about Australia’s civil society.

“chip on my shoulder?”

Can’t you do better that use this tired old backhander? … If I do have a chip on my shoulder its because of this - I find it strange that people like you who appear to know jack sheet about how this ‘national identity’ came about, now feel obliged to castigate others about this same history and law. So whose shoulder chip is this really?

Me Grow up? May I suggest the knowledge displayed in your post to me does not provide evidence of even the most basic of facts in history and law required to engage -with maturity- in the content and context of debate here. Or is this paranoid commitment to ignorance a central tenet of Australian culture? I am, you are, we are Australian. Yeah sure

Oh, you are a Muslim, Mr Amel?

Could I remind you that the Christian countries went through through a bit of soul searching 500 years ago and decided to separate the church and the state? This we called the "reformation" and when we did this our societies progress began to accelerate to such an extent that we left the rest of the world far behind.

Your religion is a failure. Every Muslim society on Earth, that does not have a bunch of Overseas Chinese running it's economy, is an economic basket case. The most telling indictment of how much Islam is a failure, is that the more Islamic a society is, the more of a failure it is.

Despite oceans of oil, despite the richness of the Nile and Tigris Eurphrates river valley's, despite Islamic societies being in possession of the world's most revered archaolgical treasures, Islamic societies manufacture nothing but Persian carpets suicide bombers. Even tourism is declining because of persistent bomb and assault rifle attacks on visitors by Muslim religious nut cases.

I would advise you to reform your religion but I know that is a very big ask. Anybody who suggests it usually gets promptly murdered. I think that the best thing to do with the Muslim world is the Israeli solution. Put up a concrete wall between you and us and let your mob kill each other off with gay abandon, as you have always done. Maybe in another 500 years you will have reached a stage where you are fit to take your place in the modern world.

Redneck

I am not going to try to argue with you on this subject any more,
it is getting boring and a bit tedious trying to open a closed mind,
a bit like trying to demolish a wall by beating your head against it.

But you would be aware of demolishing walls, working in the building
industry the way that you do.

It must be galling seeing so many subcontractors, tilers, plumbers,
concreters and the like of Middle Eastern background, employing their
cousins and friends of their cousins in all the jobs that use to go to people
of Anglo-celtic background, and because they know how to 'work the system'
they seem to be able to quote such low rates and still drive such great cars.

All those Lebanese doing over the Australian workers, it is no wonder
that you feel such antipathy towards them. They must be taking over.

And damn, some of them manage to attract Australian girls, like the
girlfriends of the K brothers who thought that they were so cool.

Why cannot these women see what they are doing to themselves, and
how they are hurting good Australian men?

But that is what multiculturalism does:

To quote a great American patriot USAF General ‘Jack’. Ripper, in a slightly
different context but one that is applicable in the context of multiculturalism.:

General Ripper considered the fluoridisation of drinking water a Communist plot
to pollution precious bodily fluids, and was willing to go to war .

It is easy to see that Multiculturalism must be a trendoid, leftist plot to pollute the
precious Australian Spirit with Islamic blood, hence the use of rape gangs and sexy
cars to impregnate and defile OUR women, all in the name of Islam.

That is the real reason why we are at war with Islam, I mean terrorism, to keep
Australian women pure. And guess what, once we have kicked out the Moslems
we can start on all those other groups who don’t believe in God the Father, God the
Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Lets start with quotes from the "heavenly" Hadiths and the "ocean of knowledge", Koran.
1. (Al-Hadis, Vol. 3, p. 137) Abu Sayeed al-Khodri reported that Mohammed was talking to a group of women when he said, "... I see the majority of you will go to Hell." The women asked why, to which Mohammed responded, "You often curse and are ungrateful to your companions." He then told them they had a basic defect in their nature, to which they responded, "How?" Mohammed answered, "Is not the attestation (knowledge and witness) of a women only worth half of a man's? And that is on account of her short intelligence."
This quote really brings out Mohammed's "shining" views on women. He automatically condemns the majority of them to hell. According to him a woman's intellectual capacity is only half that of a man and that is why two women are required as witnesses as compared to one man.
He was so scared of women's intelligence that he said, "a man should not walk between two women" (Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 586) as that would mean that the man was taking a risk of being on equal turf according to Mohammed.

2. (Al Hadis, Vol. 2, p. 692) Ibn Ma`sud reported from the Messenger of Allah who said, "A woman is like a private part (sex organ). When she goes out (walking) the devil casts a glance at her (in lust)."
Well, this clearly gives us an insight into Mohammed's "pure" mind. To him women were nothing but walking vaginas to be used as objects for sexual fulfillment. No wonder he required women to be completely covered from head to toe. He had to have some way to control his lust.
Your Knowlege and perseptions are Outstanding Hamlet, look foward to your papers on womens rights.Multiculturalism hay,You should do your own RESURCH hmmmmm.

Deuteronomy 24
Law of Divorce
1 When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house,
2and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man's wife,

Deuteronomy22

28 If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered,

29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.

(Great, if a girl was raped she had to spend the rest of her life with her attacker)

1 Corinthians 11

3But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

9 for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake.

I could go on, but you get the picture - Christianity and Judaism are no better, according to their sacred texts - then Islam.