Peacefulpeace,

"Once More Unto the Breach"

One of the common things I find about people like you Peacefulpeace is a woeful knowledge of history:
<<You quote attacks in Muslim countries, but research attacks by Buddhists against Muslims in myanmir, also in the same countries Christians attack Muslims. Goes both ways>>

Are you in all honesty trying to equate the present day conflict in Myanmar with the genocidal violence which armies under the banner of Islam inflicted on the local peoples during their conquest and occupation of the subcontinent ?

I could point you to sources that would enlighten you about it. But you have already indicated (to Mac) your unwillingness to ingest anything critical of your side –so, it appears there's no way to cure your deficiency.

And to your lack of historical knowledge, I would add a woeful knowledge of current world affairs.Your following answer is a sidestep worthy of any politician:
<< What are the chances of Christians "propagating their ideology"in Moslem nations?
They do. So Mecca is the only place? Have a look @ Indonesia the largest Muslims living there in the world. Have you heard of the Save Mariam project?... Africa continues campaign for Christinity. Have a look at satellite TVs the amount of Free Christian channels is crazy...>>

Are you trying to tell us that non-Muslim religions have the same rights to build and preach in Saudi Arabia, or even Egypt, as you as a Muslin do in Australia –surely not?

But we have made progress on at one front, I see. We now have your tacit admission that you are in favor of the death penalty for blasphemy & apostasy:
<< If a law says there's a severe punishment in place for blasphemous against sacred things like Qur'an etc then for someone to go against that should be punished by that punishment.>>

I would like to see you *educate * the Australian public about that aspect of Sharia (perhaps you could advertise it on the sides of buses!) –or, weren’t you planning to make that announcement till you had the numbers?

chillingeffects23,

You have got to be joking. A 14 year old girl is near death, numbers of people have been blown up because of some very stupid and poorly made video and the examples of a similar nature, too many to enunciate here happen on a daily basis and you dare say, “the bogeyman of Islamic influence isn’t nearly as terrifying as this descent into plutocracy we face “.

We face democracy with all its warts and we try to cure the problems. Islamic ideology doesn’t allow for any cures. Wake up.

David

@Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc

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Are we seriously going down this path?

I dont have the energy, so farewell.

>>If you're so adamant that there's no God then tell me what started it all using science.<<

There isn't one clear answer but some theories may be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model

My favorite is this one:

>>In M-theory our universe and others are created by collisions between p-branes in a space with 11 and 26 dimensions (the number of dimensions depends on the chirality of the observer); each universe takes the form of a D-brane. Objects in each universe are essentially confined to the D-brane of their universe, but may be able to interact with other universes via gravity, a force which is not restricted to D-branes. This is unlike the universes in the "quantum multiverse", but both concepts can operate at the same time.<<

I don't know what it means because I don't understand M-theory but it sounds cool. Of the theories I can get my head around I think Hugh Everett's many worlds interpretation can account for the creation of our universe.

>>and then tell me what was next.<<

After that we have the Big Bang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

>>And remember the scientific rule that energy is not created but transferred along.<<

These theories don't violate conservation of energy.

>>Also the current scientific evidence supports the big bang theory so from a tiny spec then the universe began. Explain from the very beginning how this took place.<<

Just check out the links - they spell it out pretty clearly.

>>You can't assume that the universe is infinite as that's not science. Show me the evidence.<<

We can't tell if the universe is infinite or finite - we can only see so far.

to be continued

>>To ask who created God is not a valid question as God is the First and is Eternal by definition. These are His attributes.<<

Arguments from first cause aren't convincing: if the universe requires a cause why doesn't God? To conclude that God is the first cause by assuming It to be the first cause begs the question.

>>For us what creates is not of the creation, God. That's the only thing that makes sense as The Creator, The First cannot be within the creation as then what created the creation.<<

But then you have something greater than the Creator: the sum of the Creator and the Creation. Isn't another of God's attributes that nothing is greater than It?

Cheers,

Tony

@David:
We face democracy with all its warts and we try to cure the problems. Islamic ideology doesn’t allow for any cures.

Cure the problems? Why are there rapes every minute or so? Surely Raping is one of the biggest oppressions to Woman.
The rapist with a slap on the wrist comes out again and re-rapes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zaQBA6lcls
Where's the cure there?
Also the crime rates in the west (US, UK) are on top in the world:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

Also The West going to war on not much evidence bombarding nations and staying there:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

Also gambling, Alcohol deaths, smoking etc if the government cares about the people more laws would be put in place to remove them.
Financial system collapsing based on Usuary/interest were the banks and the rich get richer and divide between rich and poor.
Agree with chillingeffects23 regarding his plutocracy link.
Unaccountability is massive, when people don't get there services. We see what happened in London Riots, when they don't believe they're accountable to God. Also Greece and probably going to increase. Also we see Depression increasing, see Ian Thorpe? Also if someone doesn't have a defined purpose suicide will come into play.

@David - Do have a TV set not sure why would matter.

One of the common things I find about people like you @SPQR is ignoring points and very insincere and unaccountable approach.
Also didn't admit anything. I asked some questions for you:
Couldn't see it occurring if it's in place unless it's someone who's pure ignorant, stubborn and deserves that punishment. How many times did this occur at the prophets time under Sharia law?

Perhaps based on your insistence you may infact be one of those most smallest of minority cases that's why you're afraid of that law? Unable to keep that tongue in check :P