PeacefulPeace,

"How do you explain the point from nothing to something without God? Nothing to something means it's Created.
Please explain."

That's just a play on words, I doubt if "nothing" means the same to a cosmologist as to philosopher or theologian. Who or what created God? if we assume that God is eternal, we could also assume that the universe is eternal and God is a redundant hypothesis. There's no evidence for any deity or indeed the supernatural. If you're really interested in thinking "outside the box" I recommend these books.

1. " A Universe from Nothing" by Lawrence M Krauss.

2. "Why we believe in god/s" by J Anderson Thompson.

I didn't suggest that Moslems didn't make a contribution to science but that Moslems never produced a scientific industrialised culture, and on the balance, Islam has been destructive.

An equivalent list of Western scientists would continue page after page after page, even small Western countries have produced more Science Nobel Laureates than all the world's Moslems. You're grasping at straws.

I assumed that you would reject any criticism of Islam or the behaviour of Moslems. Of course the sites I referenced are anti-Moslem, the onus is on you to refute the arguments presented. Anyone who follows a sacred text really can't engage with reality, so It's rather pointless to continue this conversation. Since I reject the notion of a supernatural reality, the Qu'ran is simply the product of the human imagination and has absolutely no value to me. Sharia is not a legal system that would be acceptable in the West for the reasons outlined in the reference.

You and your co-religionists should ask yourselves these questions-

Why did you migrate to Australia? If It was for economic or political reasons-why did Australia offer superior living conditions to the Moslem country from which you emigrated?

I'll suggest the answer-because it's a secular liberal democracy.

@ PeacefulPeace,

You have put the case across that Islam is a very accommodating religion, I therefore have just a couple of hypothetical questions for you.

Would your life situation change if you declared you were now an atheist? I mean, as far as family, friends and close acquaintances go.

In which countries with a strong Islamic influence or even a weak one, would you wear a T-shirt with ATHEIST emblazoned across the front? Can you name them thanks?

Or, more mildly, which countries, not wearing such a T-shirt, would you openly declare you were an atheist?

I would prefer you didn’t go down the path of such actions would be blasphemy as they do not say anything about Islam.

And getting away from hypotheticals, can you name the atheist organisations in countries controlled by Islam?

Please remember, ducking away from hypotheticals is answering in itself.

I look forward to your response.

David

@mac
If you're so adamant that there's no God then tell me what started it all using science. and then tell me what was next.
And remember the scientific rule that energy is not created but transferred along.
Also the current scientific evidence supports the big bang theory so from a tiny spec then the universe began. Explain from the very beginning how this took place.
You can't assume that the universe is infinite as that's not science. Show me the evidence.

To ask who created God is not a valid question as God is the First and is Eternal by definition. These are His attributes.
For us what creates is not of the creation, God. That's the only thing that makes sense as The Creator, The First cannot be within the creation as then what created the creation.

Regarding science based on what Robert Briffault mentioned, it seems Islamic Civilization was the driver of modern science. But in any sense Islam doesn't go against science, that's my point.
As i said it doesn't really matter contribution too much. Is that our purpose to contribute to science? We would need to analyse the environment being put in place for science to flourish. The amount of money spent by the west on this would be 1 strong reason why it flourishes there.
Nothing to do with religion unless the religion suppresses; which as explained Islam doesn't have that history of suppression.

You ask "Why did you migrate to Australia? "
At a few months old you think i had a choice, also Israel war? If you were reading what i'm saying we don't have Sharia established currently with Caliphate.
The injustice in the so called Muslim countries is not good, bribary, corruption etc. These are unislamic and detested by God. And we see the suffering that's occurring in the Middle East etc.
Not saying it doesn't occur in the West, but seems there's justice given on average. Just because Islam orders for something doesn't necessarily mean it's being implemented.
The leaders there aren't exactly following Islam entirely. God knows best.

Good Article

@Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc

What exactly is your point?

Most countries with monarchies have Lese-majesty laws, would you say anything against the monarch? Would you put it on a T-shirt?

As shocking as it may seem, freedom of expression has and will always be restricted by societal and cultural norms.

This is the basis of society

chillingeffects23,

I thought my point was quite obvious. Islam is not compatible with democracy.

Because monarchical structures don’t recognise freedom of expression is the very fact that keeps them in the dark ages.

Fine, if they want to be oppressed by such a system (against their wills) in those countries but not fine if they even consider for an instant it will be accepted in a struggling democracy such as is Australia.

PeacefulPeace is telling us all the advantages and good point of Islam but not the regressive nature of that religion. Christianity is bad enough in the political scene in Australia and we do not need a more repressive religion gaining any kind of legislative power here.

The AFA treats all religion as superstition equally but some of them have greater detrimental effect more so than others.

Have you a television set?

David

@Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc

For someone with a television set you seem to hold democracy in curiously high esteem.

I am of one mind with Plato on the matter, having seen these democracies commit themselves to ruin with reckless abandon, due to the fickle sentiments of the masses and equally inept leaders.

A truly objective observer would see that aside from despotates all systems of government are equally oppressive.

Personally I find the bogeyman of Islamic influence isn’t nearly as terrifying as this descent into plutocracy we face.