Peacefulpeace,

<< [I] didn't admit anything>>

But you did –and you did again here:
<< [I] Couldn't see it occurring if it's in place unless it's someone who's pure ignorant, stubborn and deserves that punishment.>>

The number/percentage who might be subject to it is immaterial.

-- Was Salman Rushdie one of that <<most smallest of minority>> ?
-- How about the person/people who made the recent film: "Innocence of Muslims"
--Or, the Danish cartoonists?

http://www.theweek.co.uk/people-news/islam-film-row/49052/iran-reissues-fatwa-salman-rushdie-film-protests-spread

Tony you say:
"I don't know what it means because I don't understand M-theory but it sounds cool. "

Basing your belief in No God on sounding cool is ignorance. Also as you rightly mentioned these are theories.
To say God doesn't exist based on Theories is wrong. Theories are just that. Just like as they said in the past before the big bang theory that
universe is infinite so there's infinite amounts of possibilities. That AFIK has been invalidated as Universe had a beginning.

@Tony - These theories don't violate conservation of energy.

Yes as they assume there's a lot of things already there to begin with. You need to start with nothing and then begin with that.
Since then i would ask what started those other universes to begin with?
Also the amount of unknowns is beyond comprehension.
Have a look at what The Qur'an says:
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-c.htm
Seems like science is catching up to reality.

You say:
We can't tell if the universe is infinite or finite - we can only see so far.

The Big Bang pretty much says that the universe was a single point at one stage. So not infinite.
We're talking about this universe. Not some made up sci fi universe.

if the universe requires a cause why doesn't God?
Because that's His attributes, Self-Sufficient, The First, Eternal, that's what He tells us.
Like saying If a square requires 4 sides, why doesn't a circle? The attributes of the circle is that it doesn't contain 4 sides.
God is not from this world, so doesn't have the same limitations not limited by Our Space, Time etc. Beyond His creation.

Isn't another of God's attributes that nothing is greater than It?
God is Greater than anything else. Pretty straight forward. He creates that which no-one can create like Him.
Sum? Never heard that one :P. Greater in what suits Him.

<< [I] Couldn't see it occurring if it's in place unless it's someone who's pure ignorant, stubborn and deserves that punishment.>>

No i didn't, I said "IF it's in place" I didn't say "it is in place if we have Sharia".

-- Was Salman Rushdie one of that <<...minority>> ?
...

Yes they're the minority round it off to 0% of the worlds population. Also were they living under Sharia?
I asked at the Prophet Muhammad's time.
Ofcourse numbers matter. It proves the fact that it barely ever happens, as the punnishment would be so great.
Simple to ignore the number of rapes occuring every minute than to tarnish Sharia based on a law that would rarely affect anyone is wrong.
Even then, They must be extremely silly to do it if under Sharia law. What's there to gain? Shows how evil they are that they can't control themsleves from insulting.
Are the actions they did good? You seem to like to defend freedom of speech at all costs.
What if someone openly comes out and says all Jews are ... Or Aboriginals are... in a movie of some sort. What reaction do you expect? A good reaction? I think not.

Also with Rapes, The West promotes promiscuity on so many levels that it's not funny, with woman dress code almost being naked. The preventative actions that The West takes is deplorable.
Islam has prevention as that is better than cure. For example it says to lower the gaze, dress modestly covering up, not mixing too much, so that Rape shouldn't be on the radar.
The West seems to do the opposite, promotes sex and outside marriage to big extents and immoral dress code can be seen almost everywhere. Then when someone does the crime jail.
Adultery occurring heaps, Fornication, Rapes. Where's the prevention? 7 years imprisonment? The West can be seen as one of the dirtiest, filthiest societies currently.
It's also not as safe with all the crime occurring. See Jill Meagher rape and murder? Another sad case. Not sure she was wearing much at all though. What's new?

Peacefulpeace "Also with Rapes, The West promotes promiscuity on so many levels that it's not funny, with woman dress code almost being naked. The preventative actions that The West takes is deplorable.
Islam has prevention as that is better than cure. For example it says to lower the gaze, dress modestly covering up, not mixing too much, so that Rape shouldn't be on the radar.
The West seems to do the opposite, promotes sex and outside marriage to big extents and immoral dress code can be seen almost everywhere. Then when someone does the crime jail.
Adultery occurring heaps, Fornication, Rapes. Where's the prevention? 7 years imprisonment? The West can be seen as one of the dirtiest, filthiest societies currently.
It's also not as safe with all the crime occurring. See Jill Meagher rape and murder? Another sad case. Not sure she was wearing much at all though. What's new?"

Isn't it fabulous, a Muslim lecturing Westerners on the treatment of women: They stone women to death for adultery (or force them to suicide), circumcise them, shoot them for wanting to be educated, tell them what to dress, how to act, how to think etc etc etc.

Liberal democracies are committed to equality, which gives women the right to be educated. Liberal democracies are also committed to negative freedom, which grants individuals a mass of freedoms from stringent authority. Nothing is more alien to the West than complete submission to a deity.

In the end, if Islam wants to remain in the West it must 'privatise' its religion, kind of like what Protestantism done for Christianity. They must learn to separate the public from the private and that religion is a 'personal relationship between the individual and God,' and that the public sphere is out of bounds. Not until this is 'internalized' by every Muslim will it be accepted in the West.

@PeacefulPeace,

I notice you left the hypothetical questions unanswered. As such, there is really no point communicating with you.

I agree that democracy has problems but Islam is not the answer. If it is, here’s another hypothetical for you. In which country under Islamic control would you rather live?

It is a common occurrence for the AFA to receive communication from atheists in Islamic countries begging us to help them escape. We are powerless to do anything. We take these matters very seriously even to the extent of destroying any identifying material we may have. One only needs to watch the recommended Geoffrey Robertson video mentioned at the bottom of this post to get an inkling of the gravity of the plight of some people.

By the way, I kind of agree with Winston Churchill about democratic systems. "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Australia is a great country, because most Australians don’t take religion very seriously. Those that do are a minority and let’s hope it remains that way. Their numbers are dropping rapidly so it probably will.

The best chance at having personal safety, equality and a chance at happiness is afforded by a secular state (no, not Stalinism; that was not a democracy). Secular state roughly means that government doesn’t interfere with or privilege any religion and religion doesn’t interfere in government. Even level headed religious folk can see the benefits in that.

Religion should be a private matter between consenting adults.

SPQR,

Or, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Videos 8 & 18 on this Page http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7C0CA45F60FD44C7&feature=plcp

Geoffrey Robertson details a little about atheists in an Islamic country in video 16. Start at 36.10 if not wanting to view the whole speech.

David

PeacefulPeace,

"If the universe requires a cause why doesn't God?
Because that's His attributes, Self-Sufficient, The First, Eternal, that's what He tells us."

Why do you believe that? Where's the evidence? My god could be the universe as it has the same attributes as your god, and it speaks to scientists.

Your god is just the invention of primitive tribesmen as a method of social control that grew from the delusions of a 7th century psychopath. When has your god spoken to you, how do know that the qu'ran isn't nonsense? Did God knock on your front door and give you instructions? Christians, Jews, Hindus, Mormons all believe that their sacred texts express a universal truth, the reason that people are religious is usually the effect of constant propaganda. Whether or not you are insincere is difficult to determine, you're like most people who have adopted an irrational idea--blinkered. Your definition of "insincerity" is to use arguments or facts that are independent of the fantasies of the qu'ran.

Your ideas are totalitarian and as such inimical, to liberal democracy and are extremely concerning if they are widely held in the Islamic community. I've long been rather sceptical in regard to the claim that the majority of Moslems are 'moderate', if they were indeed moderate, Moslem majority nations wouldn't be the chaotic, corrupt and oppressive societies that they are.