Aristocrat,

Agreed.

"Privatising" Islam isn't going to be easy, as many commentators on Islam maintain that there's no concept of "Church and State" in the ideology.

>>Basing your belief in No God on sounding cool is ignorance.<<

I don't believe in no God: I just don't believe in your God. And I don't base my belief in It on M-theory because I don't understand M-theory and because scientific theories are scientific and don't address metaphysical questions like the existence of God. Physics is great but it isn't metaphysics.

>>To say God doesn't exist based on Theories is wrong. Theories are just that. Just like as they said in the past before the big bang theory that universe is infinite so there's infinite amounts of possibilities. That AFIK has been invalidated as Universe had a beginning.<<

Well of course: science is mute on the subject of God. See my above point.

>>The Big Bang pretty much says that the universe was a single point at one stage. So not infinite.
We're talking about this universe. Not some made up sci fi universe.<<

In this universe the theory of general relativity applies. A consequence of general relativity is that it's uncertain whether the size - not the age - of the universe is finite or infinite.

>>Because that's His attributes, Self-Sufficient, The First, Eternal, that's what He tells us.<<

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

And begging the question doesn't address the problem with the argument from first cause: there is no need to invent the idea of God to explain the creation of the cosmos because if anything can be uncaused it may as well be the cosmos as God. I see no philosophical reason to prefer the idea that God is uncaused over the idea that the cosmos is.

Cheers,

Tony

Regarding your woman in Islam Misconceptions:
Adultery punnishment is for every adulteress and not just for woman.
Adultery is an abhorrent act ruining families and has an extreme ill affect on society.
What's the west putting in place to prevent this? How many mistresses do the non-islamic men have?
Is this fair on woman? Is there even a law against adultery in the west?

Woman circumcision is not obligatory:
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/427
Medical benefits:
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/45528

- shoot them for wanting to be educated?
Woman are allowed to study and at times is a communcal obligation:
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/169979/woman%20studying

- tell them what to dress
Woman are ordered by God to dress modestly. The West doesn't tell woman how to dress?
Look at the music videos and what they portray, even the ads on TV half naked woman. Dressing Sexy and provocativally looks to be the norm.

- how to act, how to think
Not really sure what you mean. Qur'an has guidelines for both men and woman how to behave. Modestly, righteously, have good character etc.

@David:
With the hypothetical i said i agreed with chillingeffects23. I don't think you would be allowed to wear such a Tshirt. Not sure what would be the consequences.

Anyway i've spent far too much time on this. In the end everyones going to be accountable for their actions and if you don't accept Islam it's your loss. Hard medium to discuss issues with the word limit limitation and number of posts.

@PeacefulPeace,

You seem to enjoy agreeing with chillingeffects23 even though he says very little under that name. Maybe we could have a discussion about Taqiyya.

The one thing I thank you for and it was obviously unintentional on your behalf, is exposing what is behind Islamic thought. It is summed up very nicely in this sentence and is common to fundamentalist Christianity also.

“In the end everyones going to be accountable for their actions and if you don't accept Islam it's your loss.”

The fear of hell implanted in children, who really believe in such a thing, and ubiquitously reinforced by culture is known to have an effect for life. To ease the pain of this mental torment in this life, ‘clever’ religions promise a blissful eternal afterlife. It’s a great formula and very sadly, it works. But fear does not make any statement true.

Hiding from hypothetical questions demonstrates a lack of critical thinking skills so I’ll ask a last one embedded firmly in reality.

As a general statistic, those brought up in various religious cultures take on the mantle of the religion indoctrinated into them. Why is that so?

Please don’t bother with an answer that includes, people swap, the devil is at work in other religions, others are ignorant of the truth, they all follow the same god differently etc.

PeacefulPeace, do yourself a favour and work out there is none, zilch, nada credible evidence for anything supernatural and there is plenty of evidence the whole religious shebang is a product of genetic propensity and wild human imagination. It’s fine to hold thoughts of gods and demons if that mindset does not affect others. After all, it is your life and my hope is that one day you will work out it’s the only one you are ever going to have.

David

Actually it is not the way women dress but the lack of self control
that moslem men feel that they have.
We have had that forcibly demonstrated in Sydney.
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Peaceful makes some good points, worthy of more reasonable consideration in the interest of mutually beneficial discussion.

David, your approach is almost as rigid as a religious zealot. Why not open your mind? Heaven/Hell offer a narrow path towards righteousness, in all the small things as well as the large - of conscience. Your doctrine relies only on compliance with Man's Law - which is demonstrably heavily flawed. Where do you derive guidance? Who/what are your exemplars, and what drives you to seek and follow their guidance?

Bazz, morally we do have a very 'loose' and decadent society, rife with disrespect, inequality, intolerance and wrongdoing. Should we not hope or work for something better?

Peaceful, your tenacity is legend. I followed your posted link, and did some more searching, and have a few thoughts for consideration - though I admit my understanding of Islam is very limited.

There seems a lot of thought that Islam/Judaism/Christianity are poles apart, but I noted in 'Wikipedia', regarding Islam, that the Qur'an predicts in due course (at the "Day of Resurrection"), that 'Isa al-Masih, Son of Maryam' (Jesus, a Jew) will be resurrected and that He in company with 'al-Mahdi' (the resurrected Prophet Muhammad) will act in concert to defeat 'Masih al-Dajjal' (Satan) and herald in a time of what amounts to a universal brotherhood of Humankind - though apparently short-lived before the ending of the world.

Can it be possible to work towards such a brotherhood now, through understanding, moderation and tolerance, rather than through conflict and rigid interpretation of the recorded words of Allah, God, as revealed by all the true prophets? Could this possibly be Allah's actual intention? (Islam recognises Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad as true prophets, and possibly others.)

Acceptance of reasonable differences makes for unity, peace and harmony. Rigidity only breeds contempt, derision and division.

Woman is the right hand of Man, and the womb of life, and deserves appropriate reverence and respect, always and in all things.