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By Junaid Cheema, published 10/10/2012Perhaps we need to think outside the square on Islamic terrorism.
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Posted by Banjo, Friday, 12 October 2012 12:51:08 PM
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@mac: In other words, are Moslems practising "takkiya" when they 'compromise'?
I think i've explained this quiet clearly. Muslims should work towards conveying the true message of Islam here. We should also be under one leadership. At the moment that's not the case. It's pretty straight forward. That said, I generally agree with your comments in regard to the Israel-Palestinian conflict and certainly the USA has been the world's greatest international terrorist for the past 70 years. Yes and the West is where you're living under. The real questions should be based what's the alternatives apart from Islam. For us belief in God is the cornerstone and to follow His way. What's the alternative? Do you believe in God? Who defines the law? What are the chances of Christians "propagating their ideology"in Moslem nations? They do. So Mecca is the only place? Have a look @ Indonesia the largest Muslims living there in the world. Have you heard of the Save Mariam project? Too many are apparently turning towards Christianity. Not sure based on any logic. Also in Africa continues campaign for Christinity. Have a look at satellite TVs the amount of Free Christian channels is crazy. Hardly any free to air Muslim ones. Also Islam unlike the Christian religious past of suppressing it, encourages science and to learn. There's plenty of Scientific facts that have been proven these days which are in The Qur'an. Have a look @ that pamphlet for a brief look. Also you splurt a lot of things out without reference or much analysis. There are scholars that deal with Law related issues if you're sincere with your issues. Seems like you just want to mention beheading for the sake of it though. Where's all your references for this and scholarly islamic consensus? Coming up with ruling is not a simple thing and scholars take a lot of care for the rulings. So splurting them out as if you know something shows your insencerity. Concentrate on the main message that Islam tries to convey first. What do you believe? Posted by PeacefulPeace, Friday, 12 October 2012 4:45:33 PM
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@SPQR:
1) I've spoken quiet clearly about it so not sure why it's still a paradox. As a Muslim we want Islam to lead. Pretty straight forward. You may want something else. I think you're wrong in wanting anything else to lead. 2) When you say: <<We reconcile with this conflict to try to create awareness of Shariah and working towards it>> 2) Sharia is Sharia. I'm not going to go through every single ruling. It's quiet comprehensive. Why are you afraid of/mention death for apostates if I presume your not a muslim to begin with? 3) There's different sects. Like in Christianity you get the following: Catholics and Protestants have been vilifying, attacking, torturing and killing each other in a seemingly endless cycle which has only recently begun to show hopeful signs of finally ending. http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_viol_northernireland.htm The reason behind the attacks etc God knows best exactly why. As explained Muslims aren't united, which causes issues. To go into these is not a simple thing. When i say we are one body, what i mean is we're supposed to be one body. As for the different sects God knows best which ones are on the true path. 4) My background is Lebanese, it's where i was born, however i came to Aus when i was few months old so am Aus. Still refuted the comment as to not getting along and questioning..The 2nd statement is when we're talking in terms of establishing the Khalifate. There should be no injustice based on race etc. 2 different points. Also not sure this is the best medium to discuss so many different aspects, as can only post like 4 in 24 hours.. Posted by PeacefulPeace, Friday, 12 October 2012 9:07:55 PM
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PeacefulPeace,
I'm definitely not insincere, in my sincere opinion Islam is a primitive superstition and I don't believe in any deity, "God" is human invention. " Islam unlike the Christian religious past of suppressing it, encourages science and to learn. There's plenty of Scientific facts that have been proven these days which are in The Qur'an." Is that the best you can do? The ancient Greeks had theories that were similar to modern science it's just a coincidence. If Islam encourages science and learning why were Islamic countries 1000 years behind the West until they acquired Western technology. You forgot to mention the attacks on Christians and Buddhists by Moslems in Indonesia, Nigeria ,Pakistan,Burma, the Sudan.... What are the inaccuracies in my history lesson? You might be interested in this reference- http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/what-is-sharia.html and this one- http://www.faithfreedom.org Posted by mac, Friday, 12 October 2012 10:31:07 PM
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The universe by scientists (Edwin Hubble etc) have shown that it's expanding and that at one point it was a single point, which before that was nothing.
How do you explain the point from nothing to something without God? Nothing to something means it's Created. Please explain. How do you explain the fact that from a sperm drop and an egg we get a human being. Examples of design, including our eyes are too superior to be compared to any camera etc and the information stored in DNA, have vitiated the theory of evolution which regards living things as the product of blind chance. Insincerity shows with your sources. A lot of them are from extreme anti-Islam views and non-muslim sources about Islam. When you want to show you're interested in the truth, go to the source. You can find something wrong with almost anything on the net. Doesn't mean it's the truth. Sincere people seek truth and not rubbish. You quote attacks in Muslim countries, but research attacks by Buddhists against Muslims in myanmir, also in the same countries Christians attack Muslims. Goes both ways. You mentioned certainly the USA has been the world's greatest international terrorist for the past 70 years. So why concentrate on the small spit fires, when they've pretty much waged war against countries. You need to look at the reasons behind attacks and whether Islamically they're right. Just because they're Muslim doesn't mean they're right or Sharia condones it. That's why i asked for evidence for your ruling regarding apostates and other things. If a law says there's a severe punishment in place for blasphemous against sacred things like Qur'an etc then for someone to go against that should be punished by that punishment. It really should never occur, but the most smallest of minority cases where it does occur you say that's why you're against sharia? Couldn't see it occurring if it's in place unless it's someone who's pure ignorant, stubborn and deserves that punishment. How many times did this occur at the prophets time under Sharia law? Posted by PeacefulPeace, Saturday, 13 October 2012 12:42:14 PM
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As for science and Muslims:
Robert Briffault, in The Making of Humanity, asserts that the very existence of science, as it is understood in the modern sense, is rooted in the scientific thought and knowledge that emerged in Islamic civilizations during this time. Development of algebra in order to solve the Islamic inheritance laws,[26] and developments in astronomy, geography, spherical geometry and spherical trigonometry in order to determine the direction of the Qibla, the times of Salah prayers, and the dates of the Islamic calendar. The increased use of dissection in Islamic medicine during the 12th and 13th centuries was influenced by the writings of the Islamic theologian, Al-Ghazali, who encouraged the study of anatomy and use of dissections as a method of gaining knowledge of God's creation. In al-Bukhari's and Muslim's collection of sahih hadith it is said: "There is no disease that Allah has created, except that He also has created its treatment." (Bukhari 7-71:582). This culminated in the work of Ibn al-Nafis 1213–1288), who discovered the pulmonary circulation in 1242 and used his discovery as evidence for the orthodox Islamic doctrine of bodily resurrection. Fakhr al-Din al-Razi (1149–1209), in dealing with his conception of physics and the physical world in his Matalib, discusses Islamic cosmology, criticizes the Aristotelian notion of the Earth's centrality within the universe, and "explores the notion of the existence of a multiverse in the context of his commentary," based on the Qur'anic verse, "All praise belongs to God, Lord of the Worlds." He raises the question of whether the term "worlds" in this verse refers to "multiple worlds within this single universe or cosmos, or to many other universes or a multiverse beyond this known universe." On the basis of this verse, he argues that God has created more than "a thousand thousand worlds (alfa alfi 'awalim) beyond this world ..." Many others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science But Science is not the be all end all. Fulfilling purpose as a human should be our focus. Worshipping God the way He wants. You can be the best scientist, but without fulfilling your purpose what use is it. Posted by PeacefulPeace, Saturday, 13 October 2012 1:07:30 PM
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A correction. It was me that made the comment. That muslims believe in the Koran and will not budge from that. They will not compromise and therin lie the problem.
I said that in post directed to Saltpetre on page 3.