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Jordan is not Palestine : Comments

By David Faber, published 29/8/2012

Jordan is not Palestine any more than New Zealand is Australia. The sense of belonging to place, the idea of homeland is what is at issue here.

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Faber says "Palestine was ethnically cleansed", ethnically cleansed of whom? The Palestinian population is Israel is 4 times greater than it was 1948 rising from 750,000 to 2.75 million, this is hardly "ethnically cleansing" Since 1948, 800,000 Jews were "ethnically cleansed" from Arab lands - there are now less than 1000 Jews in all the Arab world. This might be a better reference to Faber's "ethnically cleansing".

Sadly, after every war in every country there have always been population shifts or transfers. The largest being between Pakistan and India in 1947 of between 10 and 12 million people.Although life is not all rosy between Pakistan and India the transferred populations are not claiming refugee status and wanting to return 3 generations later. They have moved forward.

The Palestinians are the only group of people to have ever claimed their future generations as refugees. If we applied the same rule to the rest of the world as the UN applies to the Palestinians then nearly the whole world would be refugees certainly (except for the indigenous population) all Australians would be refugees under this definition. It is time to move forward and build infrastructure. Instead of creating an atmosphere of hate and seeking out weapons and firing rockets daily. It is time the Palestinian rulers in Gaza taught peace, harmony and to love thy neighbour. Maybe then the way forward could be paved.
Posted by SC, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 8:48:01 AM
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All of Jordan may not be Palestine but Israel has been the home of the Jewish people 5773 years
Posted by SC, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 9:04:35 AM
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Yes, Jordan is not Palestine, but then Jordan, not Palestine, started a war with Israel in 1967, unprovoked, and in that war lost the West Bank.

Now that Jordan and Israel are at peace, Jordan should receive back its West Bank. This should have been done right when the peace agreement was signed, as part-and-parcel of that agreement, but is never too late.

Though it's obviously against Jordan's interests to hold the West Bank, Jordan must own to it and have it back, even for just one day. Thereafter, as the West Bank is theirs, Jordan may do what it likes with it: perhaps it may want to create a Palestinian state there - why not? it's theirs to decide. Why actually didn't Jordan do so before 1967?
(hint, in 1967 there was no Palestinian nationality: those we now call "Palestinians" saw themselves merely as Arabs and preferred to be part of greater-Syria)

Dear SC,

Your first comment is good. As for the second:

<<All of Jordan may not be Palestine but Israel has been the home of the Jewish people 5773 years>>

The more likely number is close to 2500 years (or about 3500 years if you take the bible's word on it). In any case, overall it proved more of a burden than a boon, except in one case - the Nazi holocaust, when Israel became a place of refuge for the survivors. The Jews are holding tight to that cursed land mainly for fear of another holocaust and indeed, the behaviour of their neighbours (including how they treat each other!) does not help them to allay those fears.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 10:17:29 AM
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Congratulations to OLO.

Finally we have a pro-Palestinian article! Of course, one article does not provide a balance to the flood of pro-Israel nonsense that the Singer provides us with every week, but it is a start! Long may it continue.

Now all we need is an article that discusses the imminent nuking of Iran by the U.S. and Israel and OLO will be really on top of its game!
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 10:52:36 AM
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I wonder why it is that I have the impression that all historians are actually frustrated fiction authors, with a barrow to push, but not enough imagination to come up with a Harry Potter?
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 10:54:36 AM
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"Yes, Jordan is not Palestine, but then Jordan, not Palestine, started a war with Israel in 1967, unprovoked, and in that war lost the West Bank."

Err sorry but Israel started the war, if you read the factual reports, particularly on the history of Moshe Dayan, you will find that he and he alone was responsible for starting the war in '67.

Please get your facts right before posting these propaganda untruths.

Israel is now ruled by a fanatical bunch of sociopathic crazies. They are hell bent on attacking Iran and when they do, which is for all intent purposes a 'given' the world will see the real hypocrisy of the legitimacy of the Jewish nation.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 11:04:37 AM
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