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Jordan is not Palestine : Comments

By David Faber, published 29/8/2012

Jordan is not Palestine any more than New Zealand is Australia. The sense of belonging to place, the idea of homeland is what is at issue here.

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Uri Avnery, a personal friend of Arafat, stated that Arafat had been murdered. There have been multiple investigations into Arafat's death ...

Professor Barry Rubin (director of the ICD Global Research in International Affairs Center) also refuted the poisoning theories. Arafat was 75 years old, overweight, ate unhealthily, worked long hours, did not take care of himself and his doctors were not up to snuff.
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/analysis/rubin-reports/yasir-arafat-is-still-dead-and-we-know-who-really-did-him-in/2012/07/06/

“Yasir Arafat is still dead. True, he was once alive. I sat across from him in his Gaza office, for example. And he even had a copy of my history of the PLO on his book shelf so he must have been of sound mind at the time. … I told him to start jogging and cut down on sweets. But he didn’t listen. On November 4, 2004, he died, a fate he previously delivered to thousands of far more innocent people.”
Posted by Danielle, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 11:26:06 PM
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Halduell:

“…Israel was ALWAYS going to attack Jordan”

That is your opinion. You can equally argue that Egypt was always going to attack Israel, had Israel not struck pre-emptively (see Operation Dawn). Unfortunately the fact is that Jordan actually attacked Israel first, so I guess we’ll never know.

“…have you been following what happens to immigrants, women and Palestinians in Israel?”

I have been, but maybe I missed something. Could you please educate me – what does happen to women in Israel? As for immigrants (I assume you mean illegal immigrants), it seems to me that they wouldn’t be risking their lives crossing the border into Israel if they didn’t believe their lives will be better, not worse, under Israeli rule.
Posted by Avw, Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:19:08 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu
Not "in other words". Only in the words I used, among which was a suggestion to open the archives.
If that were to happen, so much of this debate would see the light of day and resolve itself clearly and without the need for all this rancour.
About your family: We are all responsible for the actions of our governments, a policy well established since Nuremberg.
Posted by halduell, Thursday, 30 August 2012 1:27:14 AM
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Dear Halduell,

Suppose the archives were all opened and show the worst-case scenario for Israel, that the Jews of Israel all along committed deliberate atrocities, ethnic-cleansing, torture, genocide, whatever - do you really think for one moment that it will lead me to compromise the safety of my family one iota? You must be kidding, the safety of my family comes before being politically right, and if for that safety they must massacre or nuke the rest of the world, then so be it!

<<About your family: We are all responsible for the actions of our governments>>

So said whom? Zarathustra? Abbot? Juliar? Bill Gates? I take absolutely no responsibility for the actions of those bastards of the Australian government. I have no reason to do so.

My family committed no crime, they just happened to be born where they were, in Israel, or brought there as toddlers by their parents in order to escape Hitler. They did not steal the land they live on from anyone, they worked hard to earn it. They never abused an Arab/Palestinian, in word thought or deed. They all live within Israel proper, that is the pre-1967 lines. They have no reason to suffer for the cruelty and stupidity of the Israeli government.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 30 August 2012 2:18:05 AM
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I think we should start looking at Arab-Israeli success stories.

Read
http://israel21c.org/social-action-2/arab-israeli-solar-company-wins-eureka-grant/
Posted by Danielle, Thursday, 30 August 2012 2:33:00 AM
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Incidentally,

Jordan Is Palestinian by Mudar Zahran
Middle East Quarterly (Winter 2012), pp. 3-12
http://www.meforum.org/3121/jordan-is-palestinian
Posted by Danielle, Thursday, 30 August 2012 2:42:07 AM
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