"Err sorry but Israel started the war". Not so Geoff, Egypt started the war when it closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping on May 22 1967. Nasser's comment at the time was "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

It simply amazes me that Australian zionists are more woefully ignorant of facts and wilfully dumb that Israeli zionists are.

Perhaps they should read the works of Israeli authors and historians instead of listening to David Singer or Mark Regev.

Try Ilan Pappe, the Ethnic Cleasing of Palestine. Benny Morris wrote the same sort of things but thought the cleansing was not finished.

Akiva Eldar writes compellingly of the illegal settlements and terrorist behaviour of those who steal the land and murder with impugnity.

Shlomo Sand successfully debunks the lie that jews have lived in Palestine for thousands of years, the only people who lived in Palestine thousands of years ago were arabs and there were no religions beyond worshipping the sun and war gods. He also shows that European jews only converted in the 8th century in the Khazars.

Tom Segev brilliantly exposes the treatment and truth of arab jews migration to Palestine - the terrorist gangs of Israel forced them to with bribes and promises because European jews wanted to go to the western world because they were westerners themselves.

Uri Avnery tells of the part the terrorist gangs played in 1948 and the thing about these history tellers is that not even the Israeli zionists have denied a single part of them.

Marilyn:

I will be interested to see if you have any reputable authors/historians other than those of the extreme left or communist background supporting your view.

Unlike your claim, Benny Morris did not write “the same sort of things” about ethnic cleansing. In fact, what he did have to say is the following:

"There was no Zionist 'plan' or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of 'ethnic cleansing'… the demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies—much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris

Misinformation is a great tool to support your point of view, but only as long as you don’t get caught.

Sorry DannyG but you seem to be missing a s.it load of facts.

I guess when you become an apologist to the Zionistic regime you will grasp at any straws, your:

"Egypt started the war when it closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping on May 22 1967. Nasser's comment at the time was "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

Care to enlighten on what was the 'real' reason Nasser did this, maybe then you can comment with some authority and also looker deeper at the real facts.

I find it dumbfounding to see the same old rhetoric being pushed on these issues, particularly when they have been clearly demonstrated as false by numerous historians, including Jewish historians.

The real facts speak for themselves, history is not something that can be re-written by the likes of you posting false dictoms on this website.

Dear Halduell,

The points you mentioned further strengthen my argument:

it seems that the Middle-East has something out there in the atmosphere that causes everyone to become racist and intolerant, yet you suggest:

<<One state from the sea to the river, democracy under one person / one vote, right-of-return enshrined for all and let justice be done and seen to be done.>>

In other words, you try telling my family "don't worry, drop your gun, be nice to the wolf, he won't hurt you, I truly truly promise that he will not bite again, that he still has stomach-ache from the last time he ate grandma, so come say hello, give your little hand to Mr. Wolf and be friends..."

Sorry mate, I rather have my family remain accused of every possible crime, atrocity and injustice under the sun (which BTW they were not personally involved in and can't be held to account for the Israeli government) than have a nice plaque over their graves saying "R.I.P. under this stone lies the most fair, magnanimous, just and naive".

Marilyn,

You really do pick them, don't you? Would I be wrong in stating that you cherry-pick writers that support your wishful beliefs.

Ilan Pappe

“At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two. “ (Benny Morris)
http://www.tnr.com/article/books/magazine/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dishonest-historian?

Pappe is among the New Historians. The eminent British historian E.H. Carr (and you can't get must more eminent than Carr) describes New Historians. They “write propaganda or historical fiction, and merely use facts of the past to embroider a kind of writing which has nothing to do with history.”
(E.H. Carr, What is History? (Harmondworth: Penguin, 1984), p. 29.

Akiva Eldar (an Israeli journalist) and yes, like our journalists do, they snipe at their politicians, and also like our journalists, sometimes truth is very rubbery. You, apparently don't know it, Marilyn but Israel has free-speech.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=6&x_article=2122

Shlomo Sand, an historian not a geneticist,claimed Jews do not have a common genetic history. His 'fairies at the bottom of the garden' was shot down by scientists.
http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2810%2900246-6
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/abs/nature09103.html
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/06/09/Study-Jews-have-long-genetic-history/UPI-46971276133419/