Geoff of Perth:

You seem to be confused: You talk about the need for real facts, and the attempt by DannyG to re-write history. Yet DannyG’s post contains real facts, which seem to be missing from yours. The quote he attributed to Nasser is a fact. It was Nasser closed the straights of Tiran to Israeli shipping, moved his troops into the Sinai towards the Israeli border, and ousted the UN peace keepers from the border. Each of these acts alone could be considered as an act of war. Are you disputing these facts? Am I rewriting history in any way?

To Dr David Faber

You are in error in stating:

"Thus the persistent contributions of Zionist activist David Singer to On Line Opinion advocating the view that Palestinians should again be satisfied with Jordanian rule are nothing new. They are however historically bankrupt."

Let me give you a brief history lesson to point out just some of what history records and of which you are apparently unaware :

1. Jordan comprised 78% of the territory of Palestine included in the 1922 League of Nations Mandate for Palestine. If you want to go back further in time it was part of the land conquered by the Romans - who promptly changed the name of Eretz Yisrael to Palestina - and divided the conquered territory into three regions called Palestina prima, Palestina secunda and Palestina tertia.

2. The provisions of the Mandate relating to the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home in Jordan (then called Transjordan) were postponed or withheld by the Mandate but Transjordan remained part of the Mandate until independence was granted to it by Great Britain in 1946.

3. Many Arab spokesmen have frequently acknowledged that Jordan was part of Palestine - Yasser Arafat in 1986 and 1987,King Hussein in 1962 and 1981, Abu Iyad in 1990, Crown Prince Hassan in 1970, the decision of the Palestine National Council in February/March 1971, the decision of the West Bank Arabs to unify the West Bank with Transjordan into one territorial entity in 1950.

4. Article 2 of the PLO National Covenant 1964 states:

"Palestine with its boundaries at the time of the British Mandate is a regional indivisible unit."

5. Article 2 of the PLO National Charter 1968 states:

"Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British mandate is an indivisible territorial unit."

You do the cause of ending the conflict between Arabs and Jews great harm in seeking to deny the existence of these indisputable historical facts.

The ratbag responses posted by some to your article confirms my opinion

How simple it is: two peoples each want autonomy. Two States for two people answers their aspirations. Shame to those who preach hate and teach their children to hate. Sadly, Gazans sending rockets and others preaching boycotts will not achieve peace.

Mudar Zahran is a Palestinian writer, Muslim, and academic from Jordan, who now resides in the UK as a political refugee.

As Faber is a spokesperson for Friends of the Palestinians, he should respond to the issues Mudar makes.

It never ceases to amaze me that those who claim to support the Palestinians are the most damaging to their cause. They disseminate lies and half-truths and further inflame those on BOTH sides who wish for a two-state solution, each living in peace beside the other.

When reading the blurbs of the usual suspects who constantly promote hate against Israel, it is obvious to all that Jews will continue to need a homeland, a haven, to which they can go.

"The Arabs have roiled the world for decades with their furious protest that their land has been "stolen" from them. One might take seriously such a statement if it came from a pacifist people such as the Tibetans, who had quietly inhabited their land for ages before it was seized by the Communist Chinese in 1950. The claim is laughable coming from the Arabs, who in the early Middle Ages conquered and reduced to slavery and penury ancient peoples and civilizations stretching from the borders of Persia to the Atlantic; who in 1947 rejected an Arab state in Palestine alongside a Jewish state and sought to obliterate the nascent Jewish state; who never called for a distinct Palestinian Arab state until the creation of the terrorist PLO in 1964—sixteen years after the founding of the state of Israel; and who to this moment continue to seek Israel's destruction, an object that would be enormously advanced by the creation of the Arab state they demand. The Arab claim to sovereign rights west of the Jordan is only humored today because of a fatal combination of world need for Arab oil, leftist Political Correctness that has cast the Israelis as "oppressors," and, of course, good old Jew-hatred."

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11607

To #David Faber,#drab and #all other contributors to this post

Thank you drab for posting the reference to an excellent article by Lawrence Auster specifically dismissing the claim of historical bankruptcy made by Mr Faber in far more greater detail than I was able to do in my limited 350 words.

Mr Faber is yet to respond to my post. I guess he will run a thousand miles to get away from responding to what Mr Auster has to say.

That is the nature of this debate - vague unsubstantiated statements against verified and substantiated facts.

I urge everyone to read Mr Auster's article
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11607

After doing so I challenge you to point out any inaccuracies or false statements.

It exposes Mr Faber's analysis as a very shoddy piece of poorly researched and ill-considered journalism.