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Palestine - time to tell the truth : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/12/2011

Newt Gingrich has had the courage to come out and say what few others will: the Palestinian people are an invention.

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Danielle,

"Christianity" is wielded by many to serve whatever purpose. There are those who attempt to live by Christian ethics and those who tend to use their beliefs as a mechanism to justify their actions....wasn't it George Dubya who claimed he invaded Iraq because God told him too?

I'm sure President Bush considered himself a true Christian.
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 12:32:53 PM
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fair enough danielle...i been baptised..to christ
i been raised a jew...and know jesus isnt god

i searched for god..in many 'holy texts'
jesus is my main teacher..but im heavilly infuenced by swedenberg
and wesly..and mary baker's texts as well...in short im in love it god
and thus by assosiation..his many messangers..

for me if its not about god
its a destraction into creed

ask yourself..if jesus was here now
would he explain the concept of a just war
or upset the money changers tables..challange deciete..or live it
[accept it..again and again and again

i claim the christ
but would her claim me..to do as i do
its not important...he like me was all about givingback to the father

there is..NO GOD
BUT THE TRUE GOOD GOD
of living loving grace mercy light and life
i put none before god...i try to love them..only because he does
[personally people tend to bring me...mostly pain..

but god gives me comfort's
no one else..can even..come close to

im not drinking gods blood
and those imbibing on the chists blood/flesh
well im certainly not one of 'them'..for me..its love god..by love unto other..

anyhow..each to their own
to some..i might cast stones...
but their size is litle more than a pebble

not to hurt..only to try to
make them think..or tell..of what i think..

just thoughts..voice with as much love as i can
when i can
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 4:28:53 PM
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Hey mac, the Muslims are dab hands at colonialism themselves.

All of North Africa was once Christian, but the Muzzies know how to do a bit of genocide and ethnic cleansing, so you won't find anyone but Muslims there today. They tried to take Malta and failed, although they did get into Rome for a while. They took Spain, and are still fuming about getting chucked out of there by the Christians.

They even made it into France, before the Frogs put he block on them at the Battle of Tours. In the East, they got to the gates of Vienna twice, before having to turn back because the Persians were giving them stick. Even during the heydays of Rome and Islam, Persia (Iran) was a pain in the ass for the world powers.

The Muzzies took Constantinople from the Greeks, and headed North into Russia. The reason for that, was to prevent Europe from maturing economically by cutting off Europe from trade with the east. That was why European nations began exploring the idea of getting round the Muslim blockade, by sailing south around Africa to India, or West to China.

So, what you are left with is, the Jews colonising a tiny area of land that jews have lived on continuously for 3,700 years, but which has been has been recolonised by Muslim colonisers.

Which coloniser do you prefer?

Could I remind you that Jews don't hijack western aeroplanes, but Muslims do. Jews don't put bombs in western aeroplanes, but Muslims do. Jews don't murder athletes at the Olympic Games, but Muslims do. Jews don't put bombs in Bali which kill Aussies, but Muslims do.

Secular Jews have done more for the scientific advancement of the whole human race than any other race. Name one advancement in physics, medicine or technology invented by a Muslim?

I support Israel, because I like the secular Jews a damn site more than I like Muslims.

Why you want to go into bat for people who hate your guts and who have always been a threat to the west, is beyond me.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 4:30:43 PM
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If anyone cares to discuss the subject matter of my article I will be happy to respond - or can I assume that no one has any disagreement with the accuracy of its content and its conclusion if Gingrich becomes the next President?

Yuyutsu agreed with the accuracy of my article but the remainder of the responses so far have nothing to do with my article.

The creation of the "Palestinians" in 1964 in the PLO Charter created a nation that claimed ownership of what is now called Israel,the West Bank,Gaza and Jordan and excluded anyone other than Arabs as being part of that nation - Jews, non-Arab Christians and others who lived there in 1947 or subsequently.

This is what Gingrich was talking about when he used the term "invented Palestinian people"

There were no "Palestinians" in 1922 - but there were Palestinian Arabs whom the League of Nations included in the term "existing non-Jewish communities" whose civil and religious rights were not to be prejudiced

There were no "Palestinians" in 1947 - but there were Palestinian Arabs when the United Nations recommended the partition plan to create a "Jewish State" and an "Arab State"

There were no "Palestinians" between 1948-1964 - but there were Palestinian Arabs living in the West Bank who voted unanimously to unify the West Bank with Transjordan and to then live in that merged entity which was renamed Jordan and accept Jordanian citizenship.

Unless these facts are understood and accepted - trying to resolve the conflict in negotiations between Israel and the PLO will be a waste of time.

The PLO needs to revise its Charter and clearly indicate it no longer has any territorial designs on Israel or Jordan in its quest to obtain a second Arab State in former Palestine for the "Palestinians". If it doesn't then any further talks will be a waste of time.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 4:43:25 PM
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Plagiarism can be enlightening.

Danielle wrote;

"You make the claim to be a Christian. There is no evidence whatsoever of Christianity in your posts. Your hatreds are so consuming and irrational, fed greedily with delusional beliefs, that most people would look upon your claim as a 'Christian' as just a peg on which to hang a morbid and sick fixation. "

"Any person can make a claim to be a Christian, but a true Christian displays evidence of this. You do not."

My turn.

'Israel makes the claim to be a Western democracy. There is no evidence whatsoever of Western democracy in their continued brutal occupation. Its hatreds are so consuming and irrational, fed greedily with delusional beliefs, that most people would look upon their claim as a 'Western democracy' as just a peg on which to hang a morbid and sick fixation.'

'Any nation can make a claim to be a Western democracy, but a true democracy displays evidence of this. They do not.'

Why does that work so well? I sincerely wish it didn't.

Dear David,

I directly addressed your article and in particular the standing of Newt Gingrich. As the person to whom you have turned to to validate your position, his credibility or otherwise is certainly on topic.

I would be keen to hear what you think of the man.
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 5:02:50 PM
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Dear Danielle,

Thank you for your sane comments. To date, all of the other posts have been a litany of anger and hatred against Jews, Israel, Arabs and Islam.
We need to be reminded that we are living in in 2011, and not in 1922, 1947, 1948 or 1964. Seven million Israelis are not going to disappear, and nor are four million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.Nobody has the right to de-legitimise their identities, whether they wish to be known as Israelis or Palestinians.
It is interesting how these populations have to carry the blame for their leaders, governments and politics, perhaps more than in other areas in the world.None of these posts offer anything of a constructive nature to further the objective of reconciliation in this disturbed region.
Posted by Bempec, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 5:48:38 PM
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