Short-term memory loss, Boaz?

>>J Parker...where did I say women who dress sluttily DESERVE to be raped?<<

Let me see... ah yes, here it is.

>>But 'dress' does send a message. A low cut dress and lots of leg sends pretty much ONE message. U can guess what that is.<<

Oh, and again, here...

>>"Slutty clothes could contribute to a marginally sane man thinking it is an invitation to come get it".. she ignores it..and is raped. Who's fault? go figure.<<

But that was Thursday, so there's been plenty of time for sober reflection. Your story has now changed to...

>>...slutty clothing sends a message. The message was not "I am giving permission for you (whoever) to have sex with me"..the message was... "I'm hot to trot for the bloke I approve of"<<

Essentially unconvincing.

As, I'm afraid, is this:

>>I also said nothing about absolving any rapist from guilt. The Bible is quite candid about such things<<

Candid? I'll say.

"And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword. But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee" Deuteronomy 20:13-14

I know, I know. They only took the women so that they could care for them. That was the least they could do, after the "LORD thy God" helped them murder their husbands.

So... thoughtful.

JAMES H.

I didn’t misunderstand what the article meant at all and I nearly did state that in my post but I was trying to convey my doubts as to the statement that 30% of rapes can actually be proven to not have happened and to question the validity or interpretation that the police (males perhaps) put on their investigations and to show how easily that could be construed to have a different meaning. In other words I would like to see the actual results and proof that this article claims to have. I have serious doubts about it.

After all it is a very difficult task in a courtroom to actually prove rape when it is only one person’s word against another and yet suddenly according to this article there is all this actual proof that these rapes didn’t happen.

It also seems strange to me that this 30% or more like 40% is very similar to the figure I have heard quoted of accused rapists walking free because the charge cannot be proven, not that there was any actual proof that it didn’t.

I’ve sat in on a lot of conversations with girls and women in the course of my lifetime (just in everyday course of life) and I have heard a hell of a lot of stories of sexual attacks on girls and women just from amongst those.
My own daughter at the age of thirty told me some information about a friend she knew at school, that she has kept to herself until now, just recently, at the age of 30years she has felt she could speak to me about it.

Understanding the horror of having a son or husband who is innocently accused of this by an emotionally disturbed woman, my long experience of life still convinces me from what I have seen and heard first hand and different stories I have read that in 95% of these cases the women are telling the truth and the men are just using the difficulty with proof in these cases to get away with it.

Dear Sus and Pericles.. no problemo... If I give it.. I also must take it... your positions are noted, and valued.. but I can't respond in detail.

Suffice to say... your opinions address real issues, all of them worthy of exploration.
or..some deeper personal reflection and reading ? :)

CHERFUL, you wrote <It also seems strange to me that this 30% or more like 40% is very similar to the figure I have heard quoted of accused rapists walking free because the charge cannot be proven, not that there was any actual proof that it didn’t.>

Now it is either a crime was committed, but no evidence was found to support, conviction or no crime was committed at all.

In the US there is the innocent project, where men who were convicted of rape on eyewitness testimony and other evidence are now being set free, because dna evidence did not support the initial conviction.

The way you wrote your comment seems support the assumption of guilt, regardless.

Personally I would like to see the introduction of lie detector tests for both alleged victim and alleged perpetrator. It would be interesting to see what the results would be.

You say that you would believe 95% of women, yet the much promoted use of what once beleived to be true, suppressed recovered memory syndrome has now found to be highly inaccurate and many innocent fathers have been falsely accused.

Meredith Maran came clean on her accusation against her father.

<"I think, maybe, this happened." And, of course, the statement of accusation is all it takes to put the wheels in motion. Either legally or in your family. One thing I've learned is the relevance of the phrase "the perfect storm." Not only for me, but for a lot of women I know who made these false accusations, it was very much a social phenomenon.>
http://www.salon.com/books/int/2010/09/20/meredith_maran_my_lie_interview

Katie Rophie in her book 'the morning after' gives an example how during a reclaim the night gathering, one of the female students accused a male student of raping her, (he was innocent).

Remember the hysteria over breast implants, affecting womens health, a company was bankrupted, thousands if not millions of women received compensation for problems that were never ever caused by the implants.

cont..

You say that you trust what other people who just happen to be members of your own gender, and disbelieve what people say who are not members of your gender.

Just because a person is male, does not mean that they are automatically lying, unless it is about how much money they earn ;) or how good they are at sports.

So true, Boaz. So true.

>>Dear Sus and Pericles.. no problemo... If I give it.. I also must take it... your positions are noted, and valued.. but I can't respond in detail. Suffice to say... your opinions address real issues, all of them worthy of exploration. or..some deeper personal reflection and reading ? :)<<

It is definitely good that you recognize that there are real issues that you need to explore, and I'm modestly pleased to have been a factor in bringing these to your attention.

Sadly, I suspect that you will never quite get around to the "deeper personal reflection" that you so desperately need to undertake. It would, I suspect, be extremely emotionally painful.