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People cry wolf !

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No further comment.

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"The academic backlash was profound."

Yeah....right.. probably those same academics who would applaud the 'enlightened' wisdom of Dr Peter Singer of Melbourne Uni's 'bioethics' dept... and his 'enlightened' view that human/animal sexual encounters are well... read it for yourself.

http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/2001----.htm

The agenda is very clear... Funnell, and Cannold are blind to the reality of how some women act.

-Drunk
-Skimpy and suggestive clothes
-Alone
-Physically weaker than males.
-Fully aware that predatory males who lurk in wait for opportunity do exist.

Of course it's not 'their' fault they are raped. Who would think that?
Afterall.. Funnell and Cannold have told us...right?

But turn it around a bit.

-Sober
-modest clothing
-with a crowd
-strength doesn't matter.

Well.. given that they KNOW such dangers exist...well.. call it as you see it... no skin off my nose, but it might be a bit off whichever female follows course of action which has a greater likelihood of resulting in harm.

Forget about "who's fault" and think more about 'probability'.

Oh.. this is too much.. from Nina Funnybones

"No men, including footballers, are entitled to sex with drunk women."

err..sorry.. yes they are..if they ask for permission and she says "Sure honey..let's go for it"

Drunk or sober..if she agrees..she agrees. (I'm referring to the legal situation here)

If HE is drunk and SHE takes advantage.... is SHE entitled? If he says "Sure..go for it babe"...me thinks 'yes'.

Of course.. we could ALL follow the Scriptures which say:

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

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6 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.

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19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

OUTCOME.... no rapes...no drunkeness...no skimpy slutty clothes (for both male and female)

But what would I know...I'm just a loony right wing Bible thumping dingbat :)

Playing the victim card is no exclusively women in this modern age.

The 'woe is me' crowd is represented in men and women - we've all encountered them at some stage - men and women who should just get on with their lives instead of looking for someone to blame.

However, I cannot agree that a drunk person is in a state to agree to have sex. Why is it we can see plain as day that a drunk person cannot drive (for good reason) but it is still okay to take advantage of a drunk for the purpose of sex.

Al
You surprise me. Why is it open slather if someone is drunk? Do we discard our morals and values just because the person is in a drunken state. That goes for both men and women.

As for crying wolf - in terms of false accusations, of course that is a no brainer. Those sorts of accusations are in the same contemptible category as the act of a rapist.

Your self description is very impressive. Women today are not worthy of sex. They are morally incompetent. No wonder they are not wives any more. I would not trust the verbal authority of a sexual act, i would need authority in writing. I suppose you could take it that i don,t have much respect for todays women. They lost their momentum some time back.

"I'm just a loony right wing Bible thumping dingbat"

Well at least there was something in that I could agree with David ;)

You echo the sentiments that cause much of the anti-male villification that Elizabeth is talking about. Not that far off Hilaili's uncovered meat approach really.

The thing is David, women wearing modest clothes in what they thought was a safe location can get raped. Elderly women in their homes can get raped. I'd agree that there are times when choices become a "pick me" sign to some regardless of how the choices are intended. People often do contribute to their own problems but those who seek to misuse that to push their own hangup's are part of the problem, not a solution.

Elizabth, thanks for the article. The ugly point is where we defend at the expense of others those we have a common characteristic with almost regardless of what's actually happened. That characteristic can be gender, race, faith, nationality or some other grouping we identify with.

R0bert