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Women who cry wolf : Comments

By Elizabeth Lakey, published 10/2/2011

Women are not always the victim, and it is a perversion of feminism to portray them as such.

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So feminism is a destructive ideology.
How then do you account for the contents of these truth-telling sites?

http://www.womankind.org.uk/statistics.html

http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
Posted by Ho Hum, Thursday, 10 February 2011 10:55:39 AM
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As clarification, the sentence "no man is entitled to have sex with a drunk woman" should have read "no man is entitled to have sex with a drunk (or sober) woman". The point is that no one is ever ENTITLED to sex. it is not something somebody ever "owes" another person (including in marriage- though I'd be interested to hear the authors view on this given that in rape in marriage is not thought to exist, men are ENTITLED to sex with their wives, and they are entitled to "discipline" them if they say no.)
Posted by ninaf, Thursday, 10 February 2011 11:44:42 AM
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Arthur you sight a lack of critical information in my comments and you give one example that doesn't seem to be entirely true. Most cases of sexual assualt that are reported do not result in convictions because of the difficulty in providing evidence and various other issues, mostly relating to myths about women and distrust of women.

It is true that people accuse each other of crimes they don't commit but the court system does not just find men guilty without evidence. This is just more myth-making. Your friend should have found another lawyer if this is what he was being told. Most women don't want to report sexual assault because of the difficulty in getting a conviction and the process is so difficult to go through
Posted by Macky, Thursday, 10 February 2011 11:52:34 AM
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The problem here is the pressure on people not to be seen to be blaming the victim, which is a massive influence on how rape is discussed in our society.

One of the problems with this taboo is that it means that the only safe way to portray rape in our society, has been to make her look as victim-like as humanly possible, by showing her dramatically screaming and portraying him as a nutter. This stereotype has recently been identified as a problem, because people don't consider the possibility that other events could potentially be rape and are-not careful enough about questions of consent.

In addition, once an event is labelled rape, it becomes quite hard to question that judgement. Hence a number of people shoot their mouths off after every allegation, without fully considering the strength of the evidence. Even now, when it is quite clear that many of the recent allegations against footballers have been malicious, some people cannot accept that they were-not rape (although many footballers are still sleazy tossers).

Another problem is that rape gets discussed in a way that robs her of all agency or ability to control what is happening to her. Recent research suggests that in most (hetrosexual) rape, she was happy to have a bit of a pash and stuff but either didn't decide or didn't communicate what the "and stuff" included and excluded. In those cases, all she needs to do is to make a decision and tell him about it. It seems fairly reasonable to expect that of her and equally reasonable to be a little critical of women who cannot do this. Of course the women that Robert discussed who get raped in quite different circumstances will be judged quite differently. Expecting women not to get drunk of wear tight clothing to protect themselves against rape are unreasonable expectations, although there may be other reasons to dislike both.

We are all judged. Get over it.
Posted by benk, Thursday, 10 February 2011 12:01:07 PM
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I had this sense of déjà vu reading Boaz' contribution to the debate.

>>Funnell, and Cannold are blind to the reality of how some women act.
-Drunk
-Skimpy and suggestive clothes
-Alone
-Physically weaker than males.
-Fully aware that predatory males who lurk in wait for opportunity do exist.
Of course it's not 'their' fault they are raped. Who would think that?<<

Ah yes, I remember...

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?"

Now, where on earth did I see that?
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 10 February 2011 1:30:52 PM
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Women should be able to wear what they want, when they want, wherever they want. They should enjoy all the power that this 'freedom' brings over men with none of the reponsibility. That is called equality.
Posted by dane, Thursday, 10 February 2011 4:14:22 PM
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