JAMES H <the much promoted use of what was once believed to be true,
Supressed Memory Recovery System, has now been found to be highly
Inaccurate and many innocent fathers have been innocently accused.

I always thought the idea of the Supressed Memory Recovery System was highly doubtful. You say many fathers have been innocently accused I don’t think it has been that many actually, it’s just that the media has made a huge beat up of these cases.

I still think we are only dealing with about 5% or so but these cases get a lot of publicity. I know about the men released in America on DNA evidence but that was because rapists who jump out of bushes or appear in bedrooms in the middle of the night are not real visible not because the women lied about being raped.

If other men didn’t commit these offences then other men would not be falsely accused. I still think mistaken identity and emotionally disturbed women who take a rape case to court are in the smaller percentage of rape cases. You may get a vindictive woman who may threaten to do this but they rarely have the guts to follow through and take it to court and if they do their mental instability and inability to keep their story straight is quickly realised.

The number of all types of sexual assualt as well as rape would probably at least triple the statistics if they were all reported so that would make the much reported mistakes even more likely to be the tip of the iceberg when compared to the staggering sheer number of these crimes. You are getting all het up about a few compared to the staggering number of victims.

Women confide in women about these things they don’t sit around and talk to men about it. From what I’ve seen and heard from women young and old and from all walks of life I actually think the sheer number of these crimes would be staggering.

Spot on Cherful. The number of unreported rapes is higher than statistics might reveal. Many people (including men) choosing not to report for fear of re-living the event as well as being victimised all over again by doubters and the judicial system especially when you see the nonsense written about dress styles as a legitimate excuse. Just not worth it and it has to be the victim's choice.

Many men are just not aware of what happens behind the scenes. Many women have been in that position either themselves or in supporting a friend.

However, those who really 'cry wolf' do make reporting a lot more difficult for legitimate victims.

Pelican – “Spot on Cherful. The number of unreported rapes is higher than statistics might reveal. “

Who knows what the statistics reveal? If you look at the NSW Rape Crisis Centre’s latest annual report.
you see it just lists number of contacts and not much more…not very useful statistics I suggest.

Total Contacts
New clients 1,851
2-4 contacts 951
5+ contacts 5,302
Total 8,104

What a contact is, is not explained and statistics on outcomes are not shown.

I note in the report it is said “childhood sexual assault up by 40%”

http://www.nswrapecrisis.com.au/Resources/Annual_Report_2009-10.pdf

(NSW has estimated pop of 7.2 mil)

CHERFUL, problems with sexual assault statistics, occur when the definition gets changed but human behaviour remained the same.

The idea that in most circumstances consent can be implied, but when it comes to sex, well more specifically heterosexaul sex. Consent must be clear and the person must not in anyway be affected by drugs or alcohol.

Yet people use drugs and alcohol for the specific purpose of lowering inhibitions.

You have already indicated that what you believe is fact, and I must add that there is a fair amount of what is known as fear mongering.

Eeva Sodhi

Wrote the following,

http://web.archive.org/web/20050308193646/http://www.nojustice.info/CampusRapeandSexualAssault.htm#Rape

<However, the "estimates" were based on research that included questions like: "Have you been forced to have sex with anyone?" Furthermore, about 35% of the respondents did not consider the incidence that they reported to be a crime.

"Forced" is a very subjective concept. The interviewer may simply goad the respondent by expanding the question with "did you say ‘no’ at any stage or did he threaten to leave you if you did not agree?" , etc.>

Also see perceptions are not facts and manufacturing statistics.

One of the problems with having a preconcieved conviction, is that any arguement, research that does not match that perception is automactically discarded.

Typically you talk up the assumptions of unreported rapes, and minimize the consquences of recovered memory syndrome.

But Recovered memory syndrome is more important in that it shows how it is possible for people to come to believe something is true, even when it isn't.

Typically CHERFUL as you already show believing that more men are guilty than is reported, makes it much easier to turn a blind eye or to justify treating men as a group and individually in ways that would otherwise be unacceptable.

What the behaviour of the women in the Order of the White Feather showed, is that women will mob men as a united front, with the slightest of excuse.

Roscop, what the data does not show, is the number women who have been sexually assaulted by another woman, either digitally or with a toy.

One acquaintance told me that they were much much more determined than blokes she had meet.

I guess the case of the guy who claimed that he was sexually assaulted with a sex toy whilst on stage with a stripper is instructive.

With many witnesses, and full admittance that something took place, it came down to the jury deciding whether he gave consent or not, or the intention to penetrate. He said that he didn't consent, she said that he did and that if anything happened it was an accident...

A jury found the stripper not guilty.

So I guess this man just 'cried wolf'.

Given this case, why would any woman actually go to the police in situations of he said / she said?

Excepting of course if other factors come into consideration in the above matter.

http://www.news.com.au/national/stripper-linda-naggs-cleared-of-bucks-party-rape/story-e6frfkvr-1225758211161

Note in this article the defence of 'accidental rape'.